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The only exception is certain instances in which the adding a blank line at line 1 is the only way to show a change in context from the previous braille page. These instances are relatively rare. A new blocked paragraph, for instance, that happens to start at the top of the next braille page would require a blank line at line 1. When the beginning of displayed material or the resumption of regular text after displayed material occurs at the beginning of a new braille page, there also might be a need for a blank line at line 1. That may have changed with the new guidelines, because displayed material is now indented. I haven't looked that one up yet.

The guidelines says speficially that opening box lines and headings can go on line 1. That's what it means.

--Joanna]]> Thu, 17 May 2012 02:17:08 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1016 Topic "Computer Braille Code" a message from betty.marshall The example should end with the End Shape Indicator. Thank you for pointing out the Caps Release error.
The End Computer Braille Code symbol is the same symbol as is used for the End Shape Indicator. When use in this manner, it would need to listed on the Special Symbols page as the End Shape Indicator.

So, it should have read: _$k_f3_:

Betty]]> Wed, 16 May 2012 17:55:51 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1078 Topic "box at top of print page AND top of braille page" a message from rsherwood12
Thanks for the explanation. I still don't see wording that explicitly addresses boxes at the top of print pages starting at the top of a braille page, but I will take your word for it that that's the spirit of the Guideline 7.2.1 a. "A top box line can appear on line 1 when a running head is not used and line 3 when a running head is used." I was assuming that addressed the situation where the box appeared on line 1 with a continued print page number (in the middle of the print page), and the blank line required before the box appeared on the previous braille page.

Would this also apply to other material that normally is preceded and followed by a blank line, i.e. an epigraph at the top of a print page? Normally, if the print page change indicator occurred in the middle of the braille page, there would be a blank line between it and the epigraph. However, if it falls at the top of a braille page without a running head, the epigraph would appear on line 1 with the new print page number. Do I have that right?

Also, if the preceding material ended on line 25, would a box/epigraph begin on line 2 of the next page to include the required blank line?

Sorry if my wording is confusing. I'm just trying really hard to make sure I understand when the guidelines apply or not.

Thanks,
Rebecca]]> Wed, 16 May 2012 15:58:07 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1084 Topic "Cartograms" a message from Georgia Braille
I am preparing the tactile graphics for the three cartograms on the following pages. The new Tactile Graphics Guidelines does not give any indication of how to handle cartograms nor does it have any examples. The text indicates that the student will need to “see” the cartogram in order to provide answers to questions.
How do you suggest that the maps be presented as tactile graphics?
How do I show the individual squares within each state?
How do I show the difference between the states (shown in various colors which match the colors in the smaller inset map?

Thank you.]]> Wed, 16 May 2012 14:52:24 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1083 Topic "How to make a brf interpoint?" a message from brlbyrussell
I am now seeing that those *.brf files are not keeping the interpoint format, but instead, when the *.brf files are re-opened the format is now single-sided. To fix this, I then open the *.brf in B2k, change the document to interpoint, save, close. Unfortunately, when the files are opened again ... single-sided again. Has anyone experienced this? Does anyone have suggestions?

** As a side note - I see this quite often with books that I emboss. Some of the volumes (transcribed by someone other than me, in *.brf format and opened in B2k) for a book seem to be formatted interpoint and other volumes formatted single-sided.]]> Wed, 16 May 2012 13:43:33 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1080 Topic "Cast of characters" a message from joannavenneri
The repeated material (i.e., cast of characters, pronunciation key, etc.) is placed at the end of the front matter in all appropriate volumes. The PRINT PAGE NUMBERS of these items are listed in print order on the title page. If there is more than one repeated item, like both cast of characters and pronunciation, these would be placed at the end of the front matter in the print page order that applies just to them, but both are at the end of the front matter. All the print page numbers on the title page are listed in print page order.

Hope that helps.

--Joanna]]> Tue, 15 May 2012 23:18:40 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1047 Topic "decimal representation graphic" a message from dspence Tue, 15 May 2012 18:56:25 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1051 Topic "Three Dimensional Coordinate Systems" a message from dspence
Again I checked with some of the BANA & NBA Nemeth Committee members. The general concensus about your print example is as follows:

We really cannot think of a way to clearly represent this print drawing as a tactile graphic.

To separate it into layers of information seems to negate what they are trying to relay. It would be a wasted effort to try to represent a 3 dimensional coordinate system of this sort into a tactile graphic.

The first graphic labeled "Points in Space" could be briefly described after the caption is brailled, but I would not try to go into too much detail. I don't know if it is appropriate to suggest in a TN that a creative partner be sought out to demonstrate these diagrams with 3-dimensional models, but that is certainly what we would do in the classroom.

Lindy, Dorothy, Betty and Diane]]> Tue, 15 May 2012 18:55:36 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1034 Topic "Number line, multiple color lines" a message from dspence
I checked with the some of the BANA & NBA Nemeth committees and here is our combined response:

Represent the main line with braille dots as we usually do, but use a tactile method to do the additional lines.

Since the red, blue, and purple lines printed ON the main number line represent each SOLUTION, standard braille format for number lines is appropriate there.

The colors, as you say, are insignificant so they do not need to be identified. Using a tactile method for the other lines will work nicely. I would braille each inequality label aligned above each arrowhead.

Betty, Lindy, Dorothy & Diane]]> Tue, 15 May 2012 18:47:39 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1082 Topic "Exercise numbers/letters circled or boxed" a message from joannavenneri
Please send a print page and I'll be glad to take a closer look.

--Joanna]]> Tue, 15 May 2012 17:43:10 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1074 Topic "Don't key math diagrams?" a message from dspence
The example of the Graphics Symbols Page (GSP) that is shown in the Guidelines is taken from a tactile graphics supplementary volume of a physical geography book that has both maps and graphs. One of the points that this GSP was meant to show was how the symbols may be categorised: “On maps” and “On graphs”.

In a Mathematics textbooks, we do not include the symbols for the components of Cartesian coordinate graphs such as grid lines, axis lines, point symbols, plotted lines, etc. because it limits their use on other graphics throughout the volume. For example if we defined a certain line as the axis line, we would not be able to use that line for anything else within the volume. Also it is not really valuable content to simply define a point as a point. or a line as a primary line. We have many examples in the guidelines where lines are included in a drawings but not identified in a key for the braille reader. (See Unit 5, the Patterns example--the dashed lines are not labeled or identified in a key. Unit 6, section 6.6.6.7 bar graphs, the "Pay for Animal Actors" graph does not include a key for the axis lines and lead lines. The GSP example is not a Mathematics specific example, and was not intended to recommend that mathematic diagrams symbols and lines should to be listed. It should also be noted that the intent of the GSP, unlike the Special Symbols Page, that shows “unusual” symbols, is to show commonly used symbols (rivers, mountains, water). This eliminates the need to repeat them throughout the volume as well as ensures that graphics symbols used for the same item are always the same.

A simple answer to a complex question is that a key must be included for the reader when something is used within a graphic that needs to be identified for a student. Unless the reader needed to be able to identify a certain area on the graphic as the "grid lines" the grid lines do not need to be identified in a key.

Use of keys to include information you listed in your email is a misinterpretation of the intent of the GSP. The Tactile Graphic Supplement that accompanies the Guidelines and Standards for Tactile Graphics shows many example of the proper use of keys. If you have any further questions, please let me know.

Diane]]> Tue, 15 May 2012 13:31:19 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1082 Topic "Exercise numbers/letters circled or boxed" a message from bscott Tue, 15 May 2012 10:11:37 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1079 Topic "Grace Period" a message from joannavenneri
Yes, there is a grace period. Here's how it works. Right NOW, transcribers are to finish any books already started using the old 1997 Formats. A new book can be started EITHER in the new Formats or the old. In other words, we MAY start a new book with the new 2011 Formats if desired. There will be an implementation date given by BANA and we think it will be January 1, 2013. It hasn't been officially annoucned yet. Any book started after January 1, 2013 (or after whatever the implementation date is) MUST be done with the new 2011 Formats.

We will do our best to answer questions on both the old and new Formats here at the forum.

--Joanna]]> Tue, 15 May 2012 00:03:57 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1081 Topic "Colored Fonts and Boxes" a message from tjensen One of my questions: for #1 at the top of 1st page. The words "Focus Skill" is in a circle and is red and the words "Main Idea ..." is in blue (all of these are in the same color throughout book). Do we put the colored font "red" before "Focus ..." and then "blue" before each "Main ..."?

The boxes even though numbered on this page (this is not the case for all) we put the color for each box throughout whole book?

Thank you for all your help and time it is greatly appreciated by all of us. ;)
Tina]]> Mon, 14 May 2012 13:51:38 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1080 Topic "Cast of characters" a message from Keitha end of the front matter...." But 14.2.4b. says, "The repeated cast of characters is included in print page number order in the front matter pages." I'm confused... what am I missing?

Thank you.
Keitha]]> Mon, 14 May 2012 11:01:53 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1016 Topic "Computer Braille Code" a message from brldiva
Thank you,
Sue]]> Mon, 14 May 2012 10:12:14 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1079 Topic "Grace Period" a message from charleswb
One question, when are we surpose to use the New Formatting Guidelines? or is there a Grace period?]]> Mon, 14 May 2012 08:21:01 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1078 Topic "box at top of print page AND top of braille page" a message from joannavenneri
--Joanna]]> Sun, 13 May 2012 01:48:19 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1076 Topic "textbooks for grades 1-3" a message from joannavenneri
Hope this helps.

Joanna]]> Sun, 13 May 2012 01:36:27 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1073 Topic "New formats-blank lines w/ poetry & ctr heading" a message from sfontenot1 Stacy]]> Fri, 11 May 2012 13:34:18 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1072 Topic "List or Listed Items" a message from joannavenneri my profile, which is just to the right of your user name and from there you'll see a personal message inbox.

--Joanna]]> Fri, 11 May 2012 01:44:54 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1078 Topic "box at top of print page AND top of braille page" a message from rsherwood12
As the 2011 formats say to include a blank line before a top box line, I know I would skip a line between a print page flag and a top box line.

However, when the print page begins at the top of a braille page, do I need to include a blank line before the top box line (i.e., have the box line on line 2)? I am not using a running head.

Many thanks!
Rebecca]]> Thu, 10 May 2012 16:52:43 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1072 Topic "List or Listed Items" a message from joannavenneri
--Joanna]]> Thu, 10 May 2012 11:07:33 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1073 Topic "New formats-blank lines w/ poetry & ctr heading" a message from joannavenneri
--Joanna]]> Thu, 10 May 2012 03:21:08 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1074 Topic "Don't key math diagrams?" a message from dspence Wed, 09 May 2012 19:20:07 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1058 Topic "decimal representation graphic" a message from dspence Wed, 09 May 2012 19:11:02 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1077 Topic "Rule 5?" a message from tjensen Wed, 09 May 2012 17:46:00 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1077 Topic "Rule 5?" a message from joannavenneri
--Joanna]]> Wed, 09 May 2012 17:37:46 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1077 Topic "Rule 5?" a message from tjensen tjensen wrote:
Can you tell me if Rule 5 is still in effect? I can't seem to find anything for Mathematical signs. I am specifically looking for dimensions in the new Braille formats.


Sorry I forgot to say this is partially technical work and this section (2 pages) will be in Nemeth code.]]> Wed, 09 May 2012 17:07:11 GMT http://www.nationalbraille.org/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=1077 Topic "Rule 5?" a message from tjensen Wed, 09 May 2012 16:54:06 GMT