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2/11/2011 9:42:02 PM
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FORMS WITHIN A DOCUMENT
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Since I can't see the print we'll just have to go a step at a time so I can get the idea of what is going on here. I don't understand the reference about braille pages 6-2, 6-3, 6-4, etc. Are you referring to actual braille page numbers at the bottom of each braille page? Or are you referring to some system of numbering print pages?
Since the print TOC apparently carries the same print page numbers for each of these items, I am wondering about the location of the TOC in the print book. Are the contents all listed in the front of the book or is there a separate TOC at the beginning of each section that starts again with page 1? If the page numbers are the same, how does the reader know what the page numbers refer to? Obviously there is not a rule for this, but I can probablhy suggest a solution that is compatible with the rules. However, since the solution is based on what the print looks like, it sure would help if I could see what the print looks like. A scan of the table of contents might be helpful.
Based on what you have said, I think the braille pages would be numbered normally. Braille pages are never hyphenated that I know of. I think if a print form is on print page 1, you would just go with continuation print pages a1, b1, c1 until you got to the new form on print page 2. You would number braille pages consecutively as usual.
--Joanna
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2/19/2011 4:19:26 AM
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Headings to Marginal Notes
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I really need to see the print page. It is unclear to me whether you are referring to a heading that happens to be printed in the margin or a heading that is part of a marginal note. The Rule 12 citation you mention refers to a heading that happens to be positioned in the margin in print. There is no specific provision for a heading that is part of a note and there is no provision for a cell 7 at all heading which is why you didn't find it in Rule 4. There is no cell 7 heading.
I do have a suggestion for a heading that is part of a note, but I would like to see your print page first.
--Joanna
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2/22/2011 12:27:20 AM
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Headings to Marginal Notes
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The previous post referring to Example 60 indeed refers to a heading that is part of the marginal note and that is the solution I would have proposed IF you indeed have a marginal note with a heading. BUT if you are referring to a regular heading that happens to be printed in the margin, then Rule 12 section 5 applies to it. I had asked for the print page so I could see what you have, but I understand that you couldn't provide it. Hope these suggestions have been of help to you.
--Joanna
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2/22/2011 6:04:33 PM
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Transcribers notes across pages
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Yes, yes, and yes. Carry on. Start the TN where it starts and carry on with runovers in cell 5 to the next page and don't worry about it. It's the same as you would with any other paragraph. Start where it starts and carry on with the runovers wherever they may lead.
--Joanna
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2/22/2011 6:17:25 PM
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website endings
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I would omit the boldface here because the CBC indicators are enough emphasis. Begin with opening CBC to include the opening dot as in dot edu and end CBC at the end before going on with the rest of the sentence.
_+.edu_: >e "p and go on with the rest of the sentence. Do not use the period. A period goes at the end of a sentence and these dots are part of the website, not the end of the sentence. You need beginning and ending CBC with each one of these. If one of these happened to be at the actual end of the sentence and was FOLLOWED by a period. you would close the CBC first and THEN add a regular period.
--Joanna
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2/25/2011 12:03:26 AM
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Definition of 'adjoining'
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Thank you very much for sending these print page. However, I'm not clear on exactly what you are referring to. Print page 63 has at least 3 itesms that could be interpreted as boxes and possibly 5, if you count each "Mark the Text" item as a separate box. Do Robots Really Exist... and Choose one and complete appear to be boxes too. Which TWO boxes do you consider might be adjointed? Print page 51 shows a similar difficulty. Do each of those Mark The Text items consistitue a box? Or perhaps you are simply asking about whether each Mark the Text items is a separate box and just THOSE are considered adjoining.
If you can specifically identify the boxes, we can determine whather they are considered adjoining. Believe it or not, not everyone has the same idea about what consititutes a box in the first place.
Please explain further and then I can provide a suggestion.
--Joanna
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2/25/2011 1:17:34 PM
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Definition of 'adjoining'
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The short answer is generally no--no, an opening box line does NOT immediately follow a closing box line. But you have to realize that this question does not have a general answer. If there was a specific rule to answer your question you would have found it. You didn't because there isn't.
Formatting decisions depend solely on what the print page looks like. The future tense has nothing to do with this. It's just written that way. You have said now that the adjoining box being considered is not even on this print page! I can't suggest a solution for something I can't see.
The 2007 Update box rules do allow for an opening to follow a closing--but apparently only under some circumstances. I need to be able to see exactly what your print looks like and exactly how you are proposing to specifically format what is specifically on that page (or pages.)
--Joanna
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2/28/2011 2:05:11 AM
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Prictures-Grade 2 workbook
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Words under study are uncontracted. In adddition, words with partial emphasis are also uncontracted. It would probably be quite helpful to see the actual print directions that go with these pages, if available. In the case os the exercise with two words, (talk, talks) all words here should be uncontracted with the partial emphasis brailled as printed. Is the student supposed to indicate which word is correct? This is why the print directions would be helpful. If so, I would suggest a very BRIEF TN for each picture (two boys, one woman, etc.) so that the student can answer. The purpose of the second example is not clear without the directions or an indication of what the student is supposed to do in order to tell how much, if any, information is needed about the pictures. The words here are uncontracted with emphasis shown as in print. Since this is NOT a spelling list, these words are NOT brailled twice in contracted and uncontracted braille.
--Joanna
edited by joannavenneri on 2/28/2011
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2/28/2011 2:04:27 PM
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Prictures-Grade 2 workbook
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I'm sorry, but I don't see any incomplete words here so I don't understand those directions. However, the requirement to name the picture certainly restricts the TN. I'll leave that up to you. The issue you asked about, how to braille the actual words is what you asked about. These words should be uncontracted as stated in the previous post with an appropriate TN.
--Joanna
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3/6/2011 3:29:08 AM
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Stage directions or Scene Settings
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What do you mean? Do you mean how to tell the difference between stage directions and scene setting in print? Do you mean what is the difference in the way stage directions and scene settings are brailled? If you are working on a play that has these, please send a page or two and I might be able to SHOW you, especially after you help me understand what you are asking.
--Joanna
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3/6/2011 7:35:14 PM
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Outline
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Sending the print is a HUGE help. I haven't used this format before either! I see nothing in this rule that says anything about other main entries. In other words, it says "Braille EACH [caps added by me] main division in cell 3 ..." and then goes on to say that each successive subdivision starts two cells to the right of the preceding sub, with all runovers in cell 1. Therefore I think you start EACH main entry with a fresh start and deal only with the subdivisions that particular entry has. In this case, when you get to the nex main entry (15) you'll treat each subdivision accordingly as you get to it.
--Joanna
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3/6/2011 7:41:23 PM
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Stage directions or Scene Settings
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Please be patient with me. The directions on both pages are stage directions. Please find a page at the very beginning of a scene and send that. I believe I'll be able to show you the difference that way. Scenes almost always begin with some kind of direction, before anyone in the play says anything, even if it's just a statement about what time of day it is.
--Joanna
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3/7/2011 11:39:06 PM
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Stage directions or Scene Settings
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Thank you for your patience. Please see the attached. You'll need your secret decoder ring for this one. The yellow highlighting is the Scene Setting. This one is unusually lengthy, but notice that the rule is simply to follow print with regard to paragraph format. Any special typeface is ignored as stated earlier in the general provisions given in the rules about plays. Scene setting describes the actual scene itself, usually with regard to location, time of day, etc. and it may go on to describe anything else in great detail as this one does. These occur only at the beginning of a scene. If the scene setting should change, it would be a new scene in the play!
Everything else is stage directions, usually expanding on what they actors are doing or how they sound when saying whatever it is they are to say in the dialog. Stage directions outside of dialog are in the green highlighing and stage directions within dialog are that rose-reddish color. Notice here that in this particular passage from the play, all the stage directions within the dialog occur after the speaker's name. The Formats rule speaks to that as well as stage directions that may occur in other place within dialog, although this sample doesn't happen to have any of those.
Notice also at the end of page 823 that the concluding stage diretions do look a little like scene setting in that they describe what is now happening in the scene. But notice also that this scene is now CONCLUDING, so that these are considered stage directions as well. These stage directions include an updated description of the scene as well as an indication of what the actors are doing and/or how their dialog is being delivered.
Hope this helps.
--Joanna
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3/17/2011 7:15:14 AM
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Music Lyrics & Chorus
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You have referred to the TEXTBOOK CODE in your question. Please copy and move this over to the correct location. It makes it easier for us to help you. Thanks.
--Joanna
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3/20/2011 8:18:10 PM
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Directions/Organized list
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Thank you for including the print. I can sure see the problem. I consulted with good friend and colleague Patty Biasca and we recommend Rule 12 Sec. 5b (1) on Page 130 of the Formats book. The blue heading Organized List is centered. Insert a TN that says that Directions are printed as a column and brailled as marginal material. This marginal material is actually color-coded to refer parts of the list. Each of these is preceded by a BRI (braille reference indicator) and placed in 7-5 followed by the text it refers to. Be sure to place that text in appropriate paragraphs as that will signal the reader that the marginal material is finished. The bri is not repeated. Looks like animals protect themselves is a blocked paragarph followed by listed items. Looks like each listed item has marginal material referring to it.
Hope this helps.
--Joanna
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3/21/2011 3:22:26 PM
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Unit Heading in a TOC
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The heading needs to be moved to the next braille page. The rule for this is probably somewhere in Rule 4, the general rule for headings. A centered or cell-5 heading cannot be by itself at the end of a braille page. That would apply to contents as well. In contents, it is fine to have TEXT on line 25 if there is no braille page number. The heading must be followed by at least one line of text, whether it is in contents or not.
--Joanna
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3/21/2011 3:24:34 PM
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Index Item divided across braille pages
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Yes. Just carry on. A continued entry can go to the next braille page, whether it is a listed item, a contents entry, an index entry, etc.
--Joanna
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3/21/2011 3:30:32 PM
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Page Numbers in a Document with Nemeth as the Code
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Please post this question over at Math where Nemeth Code rules are covered.
--Joanna
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3/21/2011 3:38:20 PM
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Acknowledgments in TOC omitted
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See Rule 2 sec. 7c(6) The omissions notice given in Contents for listed item is preceded by a blank line. If your Contents items end on line 23, you could omit the blank line and have your TN on line 24. If not, you have to add the next braille page and place the omittsions notice there. No text of any kind can be on line 25 when there is a braille page number.
--Joanna
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3/26/2011 5:33:28 AM
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Superscript Copyright symbol
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The question for me is, what exactly is superscripted here? All the numbers and copyright symbols appear to me to be on the same print level. Judging from the trasncriber's notes includes here, you refer to the copyright symbol printed in the superscript position. This is ireelevant. In Rule 5 of the 2007 BANA Upadate the trademark symbol does appear slightly above print level, but this is just a print convention. Usage of these symbols in braille is stated clearly to follow print copy with regard to spacing. This means to follow the print regarding a space before and after. That's it! There is no special treatment given these symbols in braille other than to follow pring spacing before and after. Nothing is "superscripted," and no notice of any perceived superscript position of the copyright symbol is given in braille.
I'm not clear which set of rules you are referring to either. I have referred to the BANA 2007 Update because this introduces the copyright and other signs for general usage n braille. It's not clear to me what you are referring to.
--Joanna
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