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8/25/2011 12:56:49 AM
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Glossary in a Foreign Language book
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Does this Foreign Language book also have an English-Spanish glossary? You have sent me a page from Spanish-English. If there is also an English-Spanish glossary, please send a page from that one. It's important because of this unusual print layout.
--Joanna
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8/25/2011 3:10:42 PM
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Glossary in a Foreign Language book
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Thanks! That's all I needed. I'll get back to you on this as soon as possible.
--Joanna
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8/25/2011 6:57:08 PM
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Glossary in a Foreign Language book
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One last question. Is this math book, except for the translated glossary, ENTIRELY in Spanish?
--Joanna
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8/26/2011 5:33:07 PM
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Needing to know what format rule to use
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See Formats Rule 13 8a(3)(a) for numbered blanks. See Rule 14 6b(1) for words below a blank to be filled in. You have both!
,DID Y #AI----7NO "K7 T '''
There are examples of each of these separately, I believe. Write a TN to explain both usages.
--Joanna
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8/27/2011 2:07:10 AM
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Needing to know what format rule to use
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There is no mention of spelling. The directions simply say to choose the correct word. The Formats rule says that contractions should not be used when the text refers to spelling, specific letters within a word and so forth. None of that is true in this case. If the directions had said to choose the word spelled correctly, that would have been another story. This is an exercise in words usage, not spelling, since spelling is not referred to.
--Joanna
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8/27/2011 5:20:52 PM
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Glossary in a Foreign Language book
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Translated glossaries in this print format usually occur in non-foreign language books that are entirely in English. So we will reverse the usual procedure to corrspond with this situation in which the entire book is in Spanish.
The Spanish entry is in 1-5.
Spanish subentry is 3-7
English entry is 5-9
English subentry is 7-11.
No blank lines between any of the entries. The Spanish is entirely uncontracted with the Spanish accented letter symbols. The English is fully contracted. Guide words are Spanish only.
The drawings:
The drawings should follow the completed Spanish entry and precede the English entry. In others words, the drawings come between each Spanish entry and its English translation. Follow whatever format is necessary for the drawings. If it fits on the same page with the entry, fine, and if not, put it on the next page. The labels for the drawings are as printed--Spanish/English, with the same usages as the entries--no contractions with accented letters in Spanish and use contractions for the English. The slash will signal the reader of the change in language.
--Joanna
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8/30/2011 9:29:02 PM
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Table
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Sorry for the delay in responding. This an image of the braille. That's helpful, but in order to tell whether this is a good way to braille this table, I need to see the table itself. Please send an image of the print page that this braille came from.
--Joanna
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8/30/2011 11:14:28 PM
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Marginal Content
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Thank you very much for sending the print page.
There is a short answer and a long answer.
The short answer: The 50 min. is not marginal material; it just look lit. Treat the 50 min as an additional centered heading and place is on the line following Application Lab (which I assume is centered).
The long answer: If you need the long answer, please write again.
--Joanna
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9/2/2011 5:54:15 PM
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Page change and blank lines
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There are two things here--the change of context and blank line with a page turn indicator. In this case the change of context involves a major format change from one format (1-3 diaglog) to 3-1 indented paragraph. Let's suppose that there is NOT a print page change here. You would insert a blank line after the dialog and before the indented paragraph to show that change in context. Without it, the reader has no way to tell that the dialog is done and paragraphs are beginning. In this case, there is a page change, but the problem remains the same. Therefore, you add a blank line after the page change to both show that change in context and to show exactly where it takes place.
What you have here is a change of context that can be determined ONLY visually by the page appearance, so you need a way to let the braille reader know what has happened. A blank line following a page change indicator does not happens often, and it looks strange. But in this case, that is what is needed.
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9/5/2011 3:21:58 PM
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Notes with double asterisks
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Let's back up from Rule 12 Section 1c and look at Section 1b(1). It says that the braille reference indicators listed below (which start with 35, 35 99) do NOT refer to specific print reference marks. 99 does NOT mean asterisk; it means primary reference indicator and it is assigned according to what print reference mark is determined to be the primary (the only one or most frequently used if more than than). It is then identifed by the name of the print reference mark. It could easily be a dagger or a hollow dot, or, in this case, a double asterisk.
Is the double asterisk the most frequently used? It is the only print reference? If the single asterisk is also used and is more frequent, the double asterisk becomes a secondary print reference mark and is assigned 26, 26 55, as shown in the rule.
There are many reasons for this, but consider a triple asterisk! I've seen them--easy enough to read in print, especially if small and close together, but imagine what a series of 3 spaced 35's looks like in braille. Notice that none of the braille reference indicators are spaced. Even when they get to 3 cells, as can happen if there are enough different ones in print, they indicator itself is always a single element, for efficient reading and identification. So if you have a single asterisk and a double asterisk, which is quite common list them this way:
99 (35, 35) asterisk
55 (26, 26) double asterisk
If the double asterisk is the ONLY or MOST FREQUENT print reference indicator, assign it 35, 35 and identify it as a double asterisk.
--Joanna
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9/10/2011 2:58:16 AM
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Runovers of Numbered Verse Lines
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Seeo Formats Rule 11 section 1a(4). No line numbered text can be on the last line of a braille page with the braille page number. So you can't do that. See also Rule 10 section 1a(5). Generally a poetic cannot be divided between braille pages. So the line must be started on the next braille page. If this were line numbered prose, you could start the numbered line on line 24 and continue the runover on the next braille page. Line 25 can have only the braille page number.
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9/13/2011 8:55:59 PM
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Blank line with "code" number beneath
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I'm confused by that hyphen over the second 2 that is higher than the others. I'll assume that's a typo. Just braille the hyphen after each number. Since there is no print page I can't see the exact directions that the student is given, but I'll also assume there are directions that tell the student to place the correct letter with the corresponding number.
#a-#c-#i-
This separates the numbers from each other and is a braille equivalent of the print. It shows the space with the number that is meant for the correct letter.
--Joanna
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9/15/2011 7:27:53 PM
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underscore
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Please send the print page. I don't understand what the underscroes are. The /'s are diacritic enclosures because they refer to pronunciation. Could the underscroes actually be hyphens? I need a context for this. Can you look through the book? Often the notation is explained some place for the students. I'm not sure what a_e means either. I can't suggest how to braille this without having at least some idea of what it means.
You could even send a couple of print pages if that would provide a context.
--Joanna
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9/21/2011 3:02:57 PM
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Blank line with "code" number beneath
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Sorry Patty. I forgot to mark this post to be notified about additional replies, so I didn't realize you had posted again. Thanks for sending that scan. See? This is why we ask for the print. See Formats page 145 divided words showing omissions. This is not the exact situation but there isn't a specific rule for this exact situation. Use the middle hyphen (25) to differentiate between the hyphens used for the missing letters and the hyphen that divides this word. I have not taken the time to do the puzzle, but I'm guessing that the word is some kind of compound using a hyphen. List the middle hyphen as a special symbol.
#aa-3#c-
--Joanna
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9/23/2011 5:42:51 PM
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Workbook and answer line
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There are no questions for page 83.
I am going to be asking you to tell me what you think you might try for some of these pages yourself and I'll let you know if you're on the right track. I think that you don't need me to give you the answers. I think you just want to be sure that you are making the right choices. Let me know about page 83 so that I'll have all the questions at once.
--Joanna
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9/23/2011 9:59:54 PM
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Workbook and answer line
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Page 51 Set this up as a skeleton table. See page F16 in the 2007 BANA Update.
Page 53. Are these sentences to be filled in? Is a word entered on that blank line going to complete a sentence?
Page 56 These are spaces to write on to answer questions.
Page 57. Skeleton table.
Page 62. Same as page 53.
Page 78. Items 11-16 read like a sentence using math signs instead of words. Does the blank line complete the sentence?
Page 83 You don't need the blank line after the colon. The directions and the colon make it clear to the reader what a word goes there.
Page 108. Tell me what you think.
Page 117 Skeleton table
Page 129 Read the directions. Focus on what the student is actually going to do. Then decide if the student needs the lines in order to do what the direction says. Do you think the student would actually be writing on those lines?
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9/25/2011 6:04:54 PM
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Workbook and answer line
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I am going to ask you to read the rule. If I just give you the answer you will not know how to figure this out for yourself. And my answer is right there in the rule that you can read for yourself. See Formats rule 13 Section 8a. Blanks to be filled.
(1) Blanks before or after questions. Omit from braille.
(2) Blanks within a sentence or question or a blank that happens to be the last word in a sentence or question. Braille as a double dash 36, 36, 36, 36).
Where are the lines on page 129? Are they within a sentence or are they before or after each question?
Where are the lines on Page 108?
And I have changed my mind about page 78. Read the directions to the student. Where are the lines? Are they within a sentence or are they before or after the question?
Page 54. Where are those lines?
Please read the rule again and see if that helps. Take a guess. Don't be afraid to be incorrect. In that way you will learn this for yourself. Go ahead and let me know what your guess is and why if you wish. We can look at that and then you won't be stumped any more.
--Joanna
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9/29/2011 10:13:24 PM
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table of contents
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Thanks for sending the print page of the contents. That helps a lot. But unfortunately I can't see the print page that the contents refers to. Are those in fact the title of lessons? Then I wonder about Lesson 16 on page 69 that DOES have the title of the lesson following the lesson number. How is that different from the material on print pages 2, 7, etc. I also wonder about Print pages 12, 23 and 55. Those lessons appear to list more than one item. If you put the first item on the same line with the print page number is looks like the other items is part of the first one. Is it? Or is each one of these items separate?
In this case, the transcriber needs to look at the actual print pages to determine what these things are. If they are indeed titles within the lesson, I would put single title with the page number but where there is more than one title, I would list them both in 3-7.
If these are not actual titles, but listings of material covered within the lesson, consider Rule 2 Section 7.c(2) Items without page numbers.
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9/30/2011 5:30:24 PM
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Words under blank lines
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Braille these answer choices that are in in parentheses following the blank line for the answer with a space before and after the parentheses and continue on with the sentence.
--Joanna
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10/1/2011 4:29:59 AM
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Words under blank lines
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Did not notice that sample answer provided in the blank to the first question with all the other written in comments. Braille the sample answer in italics as you suggest and follow it with the answer choices in parentheses. The sample answer simply takes the places of the blank to fill in. No TN. This will be clear to the reader.
--Joanna
edited by joannavenneri on 10/1/2011
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