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5/27/2011 4:25:28 PM
Italics for underlining? Good work! Our best friend and constant companion when transcribing should be our code books. I love it when people dig a little deeper and find solutions for their questions! The Five-Step Rule is indeed the direction in which I would have pointed you.

Betty
6/6/2011 11:50:53 PM
Margins for notes Thank you for posting the example for me to view. I now understand that following the instructions in 5/3 you want to insert a TN rather than create a tactile graphic, and then proceed with the itemized material. The transcriber's note would begin in cell 7 with runovers in cell 5. The format for a transcriber's note is not based on the material which preceeds it. So to answer your question, no, the transcriber's note is not indented 7 cells from the previous line -- it begins in cell 7.
I hope this clarifies things for you.
Betty
6/7/2011 12:02:47 AM
Bold Roman Numerals Is the boldface type really necessary to the understanding of the equation? The surrounding text may shed further light on the matter, but it doesn't seem to me that there is any mathematical significance to its use.
If you were to use the boldface indicator, then you must use the letter sign, which would be contrary to the usual use of the letter sign with Roman Numerals. I think that I may be inclined to use a TN to indicate that the IX in MDIX and the 10-1 are bolded in print, rather than clutter the math expression.
Betty
6/7/2011 12:40:49 AM
Alignment of Systems I have had to confer with other committee members on this question.
In the first example you have given, the system of equations is not aligned in print. Although the equal signs are aligned, the variable "x" is not aligned in the two equations.
I would left align in cell 3 as you have shown on the solution at the left side of the page.
In the second example, the variables again are not aligned in print (only the equal signs are aligned). This solution is correct as you have shown it.
Because the questions (in both of the examples you have used) say that these are a "system of equations", they must be preceeded and followed by a blank line. Although this is not clearly stated in the code book, the errata for the Nemeth lessons has updated §181 c. (1) Ununified System of Equations to say that "… the arrangement is considered to be spatial and blank lines must be left above and below it."
6/7/2011 12:42:25 AM
Alignment of Systems Answer is posted under the post with the same subject that contains your attachment.
6/7/2011 12:45:07 AM
Tactile Graphic or Not? These would be most clearly read if they were transcribed as a tactile graphic. They should not be transcribed using boxing lines, nor as tables.

Betty
6/8/2011 11:18:01 PM
Consecutive Displayed Expressions Your question: In the following example, there are three displayed equations solved within itemized material. Although they are not linked expressions, should the solutions to each equation be placed as runover in cell 7 anyway? Or, because they are not linked, should each line start in cell 5 with no runovers? How does the student know that a new equation has begun without some indention to separate the different expressions? Which solution is correct?

I would not agree with changing the margins as you did in your first proposed solution. The indentation is correct in the second proposed solution. However, you could insert a blank line between them, to represent the vertical line which print uses to separate them. In this way, the reader would clarly know when each new equation was started.
There is really nothing in the code to address this, and sometimes you just have to use your best judgement.

I hope this helps ...
Betty
6/8/2011 11:46:45 PM
Explanatory Notes with Displayed Expression This question was recently addressed under the topic of Spatial Format (dated May 27). Here is the reply that I gave:

The text shown in italics (to the right of the expressions) are what we call "author comments". They are usually brailled on the same line following the expression to which they refer. Transcribers often enclose these remarks within parentheses. An explanation should be included on the transcriber's note page of how these are handled in braille. I think this is the best solution, however it is not the only one. Some transcriber's take these comments to a new line. Others key them when they will not fit on the line.
I cannot point you to a rule for this type of format, and the opinions vary of how it should be done. Once you have established a format, just be consistent with it!

I'm sorry that I cannot give you a more definitive answer. Some agencies have established guidelines for things not covered in the code. If you work as a contract transcriber you could check with your agency to see whether or not they have any guidelines or a specific preference for how this should be handled.

Betty
6/8/2011 11:53:32 PM
content page This question really pertains more to Braille Formats than to Math. Please post this question under the Braille Formats/Textbook section of the forum.

Betty
6/9/2011 12:00:57 AM
content page If you are asking how to braille the actual page number in Nemeth, you would insert the multipurpose Indicator after the letters, rather than using the numeric indicator. See Rule XXIII, section 177.
6/9/2011 12:16:23 AM
equation with words When attaching a braille file, it is best to save it as a .brf file, so that it can be opened with various braille programs. However, you have explained the situation well enough that with the attached word file I can give you an answer.

Refer to Rule IX, section 55 of the code book, concerning contractions and short-form words. They may not be used in direct contact with an operation sign (the minus in your example), not can they be used before or after the space which immediately preceded or follows a sign of comparions (the equal sign in your example). The lesson manual, Intro to Braille Mathematics, also shows several examples in section 155. -- Additional Rules for Contractions and Short-Form Words.

Betty
6/9/2011 12:51:18 AM
Calculator keys on Special Symbols page When you go to the website of the Braille Authority of North America (BANA), and look down the left margin, click on the link for Latest Code Updates. There is an update there for Nemeth Special Symbols Clarifications, which may be what you were referring to in your question.

The calculator key (edk) and calculator window (edw) symbols, could be considered unlisted signs of shape (see Rule XVI section 107.), even though they have become commonly accepted amongst transcribers. As such, and since they occur only once in the text, I would list them in a transcriber's note at the point in the text prior to where they occur, rather than place them on the the Special Symbols page. I don't think it would be necessary to further explain their use on the transcriber's note page.

Betty
6/10/2011 2:13:54 PM
caluclator keys Shape indicators for calculator keys were included in the 2007 Bana Braille Codes Update, which you can download from the BANA website. The information is found in the Nemeth section on pages N9 and N10.
6/10/2011 2:24:05 PM
new rules for keys I believe that the new keying rule is clarifying what must be used if you are going to use a key. There are other options besides using a key. I assume that you are creating a tactile graphic when you say that the expression is inside the figure. You could check further with the tactile graphics moderator regarding label placement. Include an image of the print page if possible.

Betty
6/11/2011 12:22:56 AM
Factor Trees Yes, these should be done as tactile graphics.
6/12/2011 10:52:08 PM
random number table Would it be possible for you to post a scanned image of what it is you are referring to? Thanks.
Betty
6/21/2011 8:58:44 PM
spaced numbers Please refer to Section 11 c. on page 15 of the Nemeth Code book. This is also referenced in the lesson manual, An Intro to Braille Mathematics, on page 2, Section 4.

Betty
6/22/2011 11:52:24 PM
flowchart According to Computer Braille Code Supplement Flowchart Design for Applicable Braille Codes, two-way arrows are to be transcribed as two separate arrows, one in each direction. (III.G.5.) (page 13)
6/23/2011 12:00:22 AM
Graphing Calculator Images In order to answer this question, I really need to see a scanned image of some of the pages where these occur. Generally, I do produce a tactile of a graph displayed on a calculator screen, but that may not be what you are referring to in this case. Realistically, if they are not readable, you are not going to be able to reproduce them. Please attach a sample for me to review. Thank you.

Betty
6/23/2011 12:06:40 AM
Science Abbreviation I am seeking further counsel on this question, to see whether the rest of the committee would consider the F to be a letter or an abbreviation. Please check back again for an answer.

Betty
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