2/2/2012 2:39:24 PM
Topic:
Grades 1 and 2 Math Braille
Nadir
Posts: 8
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Lindy wrote:
OK. Use the same print page numbers you see in the print copy. Continue braille page numbering as it falls consecutively. It may require a bit of software wrestling to get this to work! I see no guidance in our codebooks regarding the use/nonuse of a letter indicator for an alphabetic page number that has no number associated with it. I would use the letter indicator for the capitalized letters A B C and D, but not for the lettered continuation letter (if any). Like this (the colon represents a letter indicator; the period represents a capitalization indicator)
:.A then a:.A then b:.A then :.B then a:.B etc.
I welcome arguments.
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THANK YOU
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2/2/2012 1:53:50 PM
Topic:
Grades 1 and 2 Math Braille
Lindy
Posts: 48
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OK. Use the same print page numbers you see in the print copy. Continue braille page numbering as it falls consecutively. It may require a bit of software wrestling to get this to work! I see no guidance in our codebooks regarding the use/nonuse of a letter indicator for an alphabetic page number that has no number associated with it. I would use the letter indicator for the capitalized letters A B C and D, but not for the lettered continuation letter (if any). Like this (the colon represents a letter indicator; the period represents a capitalization indicator)
:.A then a:.A then b:.A then :.B then a:.B etc.
I welcome arguments.
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2/1/2012 8:58:02 AM
Topic:
Grades 1 and 2 Math Braille
Nadir
Posts: 8
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Lindy wrote:
Braille the page numbers shown in print. It's not clear to me what you mean by "continue with the regular print page numbering" -- are there *two page numbers shown in print? Please attach a sample. Thanks.
I don't have the print. However, the little story with page numers, A, B, C, D, interrupts tne flow of the regular text. After the little story, the numbered print pages resume. Before the story, let's say, page 267, and after the story it's 269 with pages A, B, C, D, E, .. in between
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2/1/2012 8:46:29 AM
Topic:
Grades 1 and 2 Math Braille
Lindy
Posts: 48
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Braille the page numbers shown in print. It's not clear to me what you mean by "continue with the regular print page numbering" -- are there *two page numbers shown in print? Please attach a sample. Thanks.
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2/1/2012 4:48:21 AM
Topic:
Grades 1 and 2 Math Braille
Nadir
Posts: 8
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Hi,
Grades 1 and 2,
There is a little story in the middle of the volume. Print page numbers are A to D. Do I continue with the regular print page numbering or change to these letters?
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1/31/2012 10:18:21 AM
Topic:
Grade 1 Math
Lindy
Posts: 48
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Good morning.
Number lines for grades K-3 must be drawn as a graphic.
You will find excellent guidance for the production of number lines in the lower grades in the new GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS FOR TACTILE GRAPHICS which you can view or download at this site:
http://www.brailleauthority.org/tg/web-manual/index.html
By searching for the keywords "number line" you will be able to learn all about it. Unit 6 gives the details of any number line; 6.5.1.12 gives requirements for grades K-3. Unit 11 further discusses graphics for early grades. Blue underlined links take you to illustrative examples.
Let me know if you have further questions. Thanks for asking.
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1/31/2012 8:07:48 AM
Topic:
Grade 1 Math
Nadir
Posts: 8
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Hello,
Can I use number lines in Grades 1 and 2 braille?
edited by Nadir on 1/31/2012
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1/26/2012 9:45:46 PM
Topic:
Spanish abbreviatyions
CrepeMyrtle
Posts: 43
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I'm sorry. I don't have a page. I was just going over the rules and trying to understand why they say "Insert a period after the abbreviation whether or not one is shown in print" and "A period printed beneath a superscript must be brailled after the entire abbreviation". What is the difference in "after the abbreviation" and "after the entire abbreviation?" They seem to be saying the same thing to me. Doesn't the abbreviation include the superscript a? I wish there were examples to look at. That's why I asked if doctora with the period before the superscript a would be brailled the same way as doctora with the period under the superscript a.
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1/26/2012 6:35:40 PM
Topic:
Spanish abbreviatyions
joannavenneri
Administrator
Posts: 213
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I would ask to see this print page. I need to see what you see. See a description of the page is not seeing the page. Interim Manual Section 6.1 Foreign abbreviations is quite straightforward. Ignore the superscript, insert a period as directed in this rule. No TN is mentioned, so do not add a TN.
--Joanna
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1/26/2012 1:11:49 PM
Topic:
Spanish abbreviatyions
CrepeMyrtle
Posts: 43
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When introducing abbreviations in an all Spanish language arts book should an TN explanation be included to let the student know that the letter is in superscript position?
Would these be brailled the same way?
Doctora) period before the superscript a and with the period directly under the superscript a
(Da.) or (D.a and Da.)
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1/26/2012 9:25:55 AM
Topic:
Main Items in Table of Contents
Georgia Braille
Posts: 48
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Thanks, as always, for your thoughtful repsonse. We are limited to resources such as NBA's Ask An Expert to ensure we are learning/teaching each other the appropriate information on textbook formatting, so your expert advice is always appreciated.
Please know those of us in Georgia appreciate you, the NBA, and this site.
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1/25/2012 8:03:35 PM
Topic:
Diagram Lines
joannavenneri
Administrator
Posts: 213
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I have conferred with colleagues about this one and we are in agreement! These diagrams are too complex to be put into braille. It is now felt that diagrams of this nature are simply not suitable for braille at all and the new Formats guidelines will say that. You may disregard the rule in the current Formats book that you included in your attachment. The recommendation for this material is to create tactile graphics for these diagrams if you are able to do that. If not, you may simply omit the diagrams and explain the omission in a transcriber's note. Don't forget that statement of omission. See Rule 17 Section 1g on the omission of illustrations.
Thank you for including that print page. It is essential for me to be able to see exactly what the problem is.
The new Formats guidelines have been approved and will take effect when the guidelines are published, some time in the next few months. Please let us know if the men in your program need further information about this.
--Joanna
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1/25/2012 7:51:35 PM
Topic:
Main Items in Table of Contents
joannavenneri
Administrator
Posts: 213
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I have conferred with colleagues about this and the consensus is to carry on with what you have. In other words, this rule may be interpreted to mean the contents in the current volume. In volumes with no sub-items, use 1-3 and only in volumes where there are sub-items, use 1-5, 3-7 as you discuss. This is what most transcribers do and it makes the most sense.
This would be my own recommendation and it is, in fact, what I do in my own transcribing.
--Joanna
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1/25/2012 2:01:42 PM
Topic:
Crosshatch
Lindy
Posts: 48
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Yes, you should follow print.
Thanks for asking.
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1/25/2012 1:27:22 PM
Topic:
Labeling a Number Line
Georgia Braille
Posts: 48
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Please see the attached file for a set of three questions regarding labeling a number line according to the Tactile Graphics Guidelines. An example is presented in braille for your consideration.
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1/25/2012 1:22:20 PM
Topic:
Omitting Tactile Graphics in Math textbooks
Georgia Braille
Posts: 48
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Please see the attached document for an example related to our question about Rule 1.3 in the new Tactile Graphcs Guidelines regarding the omission of diagrams.
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1/25/2012 1:12:53 PM
Topic:
Crosshatch
Georgia Braille
Posts: 48
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Crosshatch
Is it necessary to show a crosshatch when it is not used as a sign of operation?
An example: “Which number does the pointer indicate in spinner #1?
Thank you.
Marie Amerson
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1/25/2012 1:06:52 PM
Topic:
Main Items in Table of Contents
Georgia Braille
Posts: 48
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Main items in a Table of Contents.
Braille Formats Rule 2, Section 7.c(1)(a) states that main items are 1/3 when there are ONLY main items in the ENTIRE table of contents. There could be two interpretations: entire contents of the particular volume or entire contents of the print book.
We are working on a volume 7 of a textbook. The table of contents for volume 7 has only main items. In volume 1 where this portion of the material is brailled, the items begin in cell 1 and runover in cell 5 because there are sub-items (in other volume sections).
Should the content items in Volume 7 be brailled in cell 1/3 even though it was 1/5 in the first volume?
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1/25/2012 12:16:46 PM
Topic:
Diagram Lines
jmoore9354
Posts: 1
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I am over the Center for Braille and Narration Production located inside Jefferson City Correctional Center, Jefferson City, Missouri and have had this problem given to me to see if I could get more information.
I have attached diagrams and would like more examples or a better explanation than what I've attached from the Print & Braille Formats Examples book Volume 2 and Volume 3 as to how to do diagram lines. We are experiencing more jobs that have this type of diagram problems and it has been several people deciding the best way to do it but not really sure if they are doing it correcctly or not.
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1/25/2012 10:32:51 AM
Topic:
Decimal with Spatial Cancellation
Lindy
Posts: 48
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Since the dollar sign and decimal point are not shown in the numbers above the cancelled part, the symbols are not included within the cancellation indicators.
This will be a wide arrangement in braille -- I suggest showing the spatial arrangement first *without the cancellations. A TN should tell the reader that you are brailling it twice.
I'm not sure why there is a zero there... are you?
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