Horizontal Curly-Bracket
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May 24, 2020 at 4:30 pm #35504
Fred Van Ackeren
ParticipantHi Kyle,
In the following example if the underline is a horizontal curly bracket, how should these be brailled?
If x2 = 36, then x = 6 or x = -6 .
Hypothesis ConclusionMay 24, 2020 at 4:32 pm #35505Fred Van Ackeren
ParticipantKyle, the underlines didn't show under the first line of text.
Fred
May 26, 2020 at 5:15 pm #35506kdejute
ModeratorYes, I see why this is challenging. Can you please confirm that the attached image roughly corresponds to your print?
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You must be logged in to view attached files.May 26, 2020 at 7:13 pm #35512Fred Van Ackeren
ParticipantHi Kyle,
Yes that is exactly what it looks like. Sorry not to post an image but was unable to copy or scan the text.
Fred
May 26, 2020 at 8:08 pm #35513kdejute
ModeratorNo worries!
A tactile graphic would likely be the most reader-friendly solution. However, since that is not always possible, you could use line mode to create something like the attached (in image and braille file formats).
Thank you for the question!
–Kyle & the UEB Technical Material Committee
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You must be logged in to view attached files.May 26, 2020 at 9:18 pm #35516Fred Van Ackeren
ParticipantKyle,
Thanks for the diagram, that's basically what I had in mind but later recalled that in Nemeth there was a way to do this with braille symbols. I found where it's mentioned, p.200 of the Nemeth instruction book. Using that as a guide I came up with the following using the directly under and grouping symbols (it's in ASCII, the Braille selection in the tool bar translates it thusly). The word Hypothesis is in gr.1 following the number sign in this case.
,IF X;9#B "7 #CF.5<,HYPOTHESIS_>>1
(I've saved the file as .b2k and .jpg and attached both.)
I will most likely use the diagram as you first showed, but want to have an alternative method for some proofreaders that for some reason, as I recently experienced, don't like them and I have no way of making graphics.
Thanks for your help, Fred
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You must be logged in to view attached files.May 26, 2020 at 9:20 pm #35518Fred Van Ackeren
ParticipantWell, I see that when posted the ASCII turns to braille, no need for some attachments. Good to know.
Fred
May 26, 2020 at 9:33 pm #35519Fred Van Ackeren
ParticipantMe again Kyle,
Just saw an error in my example. Using the curly brackets would replace grouping signs. Here is the correct sample.
,IF X;9#B "7 #CF.5_<,HYPOTHESIS_>1
Fred
May 27, 2020 at 8:29 pm #35527kdejute
ModeratorFred,
It is difficult. If we do go down the rabbit hole of designing a non-spatial transcription of the printed horizontal curly brace, then I suspect we must make it very clear what the printed braces are "embracing." That would be "x-squared equals thirty-six" and "x equals six or x equals minus six" In addition, it is probably not best practice to insert an opening curly brace in braille when only the closing curly brace is shown in print.
Thus, I think the following is what we would have to do:
,IF
;;<X9#B "7 #CF>.5<;',HYPO!SIS_>1 !N
;<X "7 #F OR ;X "7 "-#F>.5<;',3CLU.N_>where braille grouping indicators enclose the "embraced" material and a directly below indicator precedes the "pointed to" material, which is enclosed with an opening braille grouping indicator and a closing curly brace.
Whew. I prefer the spatial approach. What do you think?
–Kyle
Corrected versions of all my examples are attached.
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You must be logged in to view attached files.May 27, 2020 at 10:11 pm #35530Fred Van Ackeren
ParticipantKyle,
I agree that the spatial is the way to go. Using just braille symbols still doesn't tell the reader that the curly bracket is horizontal, just that it's below the equation, and adding additional symbols would be confusing. I've inserted the spatial in the transcription and it looks good. Thanks for you help.
Fred
May 28, 2020 at 1:53 pm #35532kdejute
ModeratorBeautiful. Also, many kudos to you for exploring all options!
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