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No, you do not need the English Letter Indicator in the case you mention. The equal sign is still considered to be next to the letter C even though it has been placed on a new braille line because it is all part of the expression. If the equal sign starts a new sentence following a period, then it would not be considered to be adjacent to the preceding letter.
Hi Barbara. I’m sorry to be so slow in answering this, but we are still discussing the question. Are all of the letters in your screens capitalized? If so, the suggestion is to insert a tn stating that all of the letters are uppercase but you are not transcribing them that way, then you don’t have to deal with the cap signs. If not, let me know because I will need to get a consensus on the issue.
Thanks, Dorothy.
You affirmed my fear. I was afraid I would have to use that unwieldy construction you came up with. I saw that square you mentioned, and hoped there was a more elegant solution.
While searching the interwebby for info on this symbol, I found a similar symbol with the cross appearing as a multiplication cross. So I may have a pair of unwieldy symbols.
Thanks again for your input.
Hi. I don’t believe this is actually a circle with a plus sign. I have attached a small .doc with the suggestion of using a circle with interior modification (horizontal bar and superposed vertical bar). Be sure whatever you use that you include in a tn or on the special symbols page the description of the print symbol. I based my suggestion on a symbol that is present in the Nemeth Code — a square with interior diagonals– which you can see on page 112 of the code book.
If anyone knows of a symbol that has already been created to represent this print sign, please advise.
Thanks Barbara. There is no need to draw these grids since the student will not be answering questions in this manner.
If this is the kind of grid where there are columns of circled numbers which the student darkens and then the student writes the number above, Dorothy answered this question for me on February 21, 2008. You can find the correspondence by searching the OLD FORUM for “gridded response” by user name bataffet.
HTH bt
Rule IV sec 28a. says when only one letter or any combination of unspaced letters is in direct contact with only its opening or closing grouping sign, the ELI is used or not used as though the grouping signs were not present.
P(A and B) the P is adjacent to the grouping sign which is followed by a letter. If you take out the grouping sign the P is in contact with the A — so that A is no longer a single letter requiring a letter indicator. The B does need the ELI because if the grouping sign is removed, it is a single letter standing alone.Rule IV sec 25a(vi) defines a single letter (in part) as followed by a space or a punctuation mark in print. A grouping sign is not a mark of punctuation. The P does not need the ELI in any of your examples because it does not meet the criteria for a single letter. Because it is not a single letter, it does not need the ELI.
Does all of that help at all?
The student needs to identify specific points to answer the questions. I was thinking of the fold-out option too. Thank you for all of your help Betty. I am so glad that this resource is here.
You are correct that the tick marks really should be 1/8″ apart. Do the related questions ask the student to identify a specific point on the plot? I would be inclined to show only the ticks in increments of 5. I usually import the .jpeg into my graphics program and trace, so the placement would be the same as in print, and the student could still roughly calculate the position of the points. I think this option is still far better than trying to split the number line. Another alternative would be to keep the horizontal position and create a fold-out page.
BettyThank you Betty. I can see that it would be easier to read done vertically–thank you for the wonderful example. Still, I am having a problem making it fit either horizontally or vertically. I have left off the parts of the line that are not being used, (before 15 and after 85) So the data range is between 15 and 85. There are 4 tick marks between each number on the line–several of the points are on those marks so they have to be there. It will fit on the page, if I hand draw it, but only if there is a little less than 1/8 inch between each mark. (I’m thinking that is too close).
edited by nbuston on 12/9/2010I’ve been watching this post and since Dorothy hasn’t responded yet decided to give you an option as described in the Guidelines and Standards for Tactile Graphics. It would recommend that you rotate this box-and-whisker. Please see attached for a similar example.
Hope you find this helpful.
Betty
Tactile Graphics chairLennie,
This is a choral arrangement, not a vocal solo piece. You should braille each complete vocal part independently, showing only rests where there are no words for that part. Then the piano part is done separately, including a “solo outline” in the parallel above the right-hand line, showing only whichever voice part6 seems most prominent at that point. The chord symbols then go below the left-hand line of the piano part.
I’m sorry I didn’t get your question the day you sent it; I was away from home.
Larry
Here is the answer I gave some time ago to a similar question:
Blank lines should be left above and below the matrix. I would not include the separation line under the headings because since there is a blank line, the “separation” is already handled. Also having both a separation line and a blank line under the headings just puts the headings one more line away from the column they identify.
Because the grouping signs are not actually part of the columns, I would align the column headings with the first cell of the value.
