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September 6, 2024 at 6:54 pm in reply to: Handling Blank Lines Around Page Numbers in Braille Formatting #42921
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ParticipantIf I understand correctly, your print has something that looks like this:
*** 3 ***
for print page 3. Or maybe like this:
***********3
**********
Either way, the asterisks and blank lines are ignored.
What guideline are you looking at that references blank lines and headings? BF does say that centered headings need blank lines before/after...but that does NOT apply to print page numbers.
Cindi
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ParticipantI don't think I've ever seen this situation! Per 11.6.1g, no guide dots are required for the row with the runover.
It actually seems wrong to put guide dots in the middle of an entry ... but I understand you are "leading" the reader to the next column. You might consider keying that one column entry so that it can stay on one braille line. For the facing tables format, putting guide dots within an entry may cause the reader some confusion. Another option would be to include a transcriber's note about what you've done. Something like: When a table entry has a runover, guide dots are inserted within the entry to lead the reader to the next column.
Cindi
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ParticipantSorry for the delay - I didn't get notified of your comment!
I think the icon should be placed on the same braille line as Listening Focus. You can choose to put it either before or after the heading and then be consistent.
Make the Title of the song another heading - either centered or cell 5. Then the info below it (the Instrumentation stuff) is just a paragraph. Put a blank line after it as a break in context.
Cindi
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ParticipantHi - I'm sorry for the delay in answering this email. I was away from my desk for a day or two 🙂
Do not add print page numbers where none exist. For the front matter material that has no page numbers, don't consider them implied. If ANY of the print pages has a roman numeral on it, THEN you would consider the others as implied roman numeral pages. Oftentimes material like this is the type of text that each print page begins on a new braille page. If that is the case here, we would suggest not confusing things by adding in the rows of dots 36. If this is NOT the case here, then the rows of dots 36 would be appropriate.
For the A1, B1 situation, the blank back sides do not have to be accounted for. Just use A1, aA1, etc and then switch to B1.
Cindi
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ParticipantHi Susan - would you be able to upload an example of a page? It sounds like you might have intended to do that but I don't see an attachment.
Cindi
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ParticipantIf you cannot determine significance for the blue punctuation, ignore it. If the hyphen represents a change from, say, a period to a comma, do period hyphen comma. Include a transcribers note telling the reader what that means.
Without seeing the print, this advice is all I've got 😁. You get some if the most complicated stuff!!
Cindi
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ParticipantUnfortunately, yes. Each frame should be described. I would stay pretty basic...try to include what you think is necessary to keep the story moving...what a daunting task!
Cindi
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ParticipantFollow print for the symbol used. I have seen hyphens (or dashes) spaced between words with no issues so I see no difference using it here standing alone.
Cindi
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ParticipantThere is not a "Preference" as is shown with the examples and samples used in the guidelines. The transcriber makes the decision (or the teacher if that is possible) and then consistency is maintained as much as possible. For the example you attached, I would say not to put each description within TN indicators - use the TN before the descriptions. But that is my opinion and is not based on a rule. Either way, be sure the descriptions fit the grade level of the book/reader.
Keep in mind that one of the purposes of the Teacher's Reference Materials is so that someone who may not know braille can see what the transcriber has done. By keeping the descriptions outside TN indicators (and off the Ref Materials) the teacher/para/parent may not know what you use as descriptions...and then may not be able to easily help the reader if they need help - like a first grader may not know that a "car where riders pay a fare" is a taxi.
Cindi
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ParticipantThe printing history statement was a statement that went on t2 that basically explained what a printing history was. So THAT statement is not required any longer...but the printing history IS still required on the title page.
Does that clarify?
Cindi
June 18, 2024 at 10:20 am in reply to: Footnotes proceeded by superscript number & unspaced from text that follows #42646claurent
ParticipantI agree that you will need/should use the Grade 1 terminator so that contractions can be used in the words that follow the superscripts.
Cindi
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ParticipantThere is no specific guidelines related to thought bubbles. I would suggest using italics for the thoughts and formatting the same as dialog. If you are concerned that the reader won't understand you could put in a TN to explain that the italics represent thoughts rather than words.
Cindi
June 13, 2024 at 4:52 pm in reply to: UEB Literary_Single emphasized letters or numbers followed by punctuation. #42630claurent
ParticipantThe emphasis on the period here is not significant. 9.1.2 of the UEB code says: Typeform indicators are considered necessary in braille when the print change in typeform is significant because it indicates emphasis or shows distinction. 9.7.3 of the UEB guidelines says: ignore a change in typeform for incidental punctuation within a passage.
The answer here is...you choose and be consistent. There are arguments that would say that a word indicator should be used as the period is clearly bold in print. There are arguments for the idea that the punctuation is for the end of the sentence - it does NOT apply to the letter B - that makes it insignificant to the bold phrase and, as such, a symbol indicator should be used. It won't significantly change the way it reads either way.
Cindi
June 13, 2024 at 4:43 pm in reply to: Braille Formats -Blank lines with page change indicators in double-spaced books #42629claurent
ParticipantFollow 6.1.1 and put two blank lines between a page change indicator and a centered heading.
Cindi
June 13, 2024 at 4:42 pm in reply to: Braille Formats – Blank Lines at the top of Braille pages in double-spaced books #42628claurent
ParticipantThere are not a whole lot of guidelines regarding double-spaced braille. Using the Guidelines for the Transcription of Early Educational Materials is exactly right. Decide how you will interpret those rules and then be consistent.
My opinion (which is just that - MY opinion) is that one blank line at the top of a braille page is enough to set the material apart from what came before - which is the intent of the blank lines.
Cindi
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