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To be honest, if I came across the examples in 11.3.4, I would do them in Nemeth. But 11.3.1, 11.3.2 and 11.3.3 could all apply to literary materials. As could 11.2, 11.4.2, 11.6 and 11.7. Does that help?
Cindi
There is no such thing as a diacritic hyphen in UEB. According to UEB rules, you follow print for the symbol used between syllables.
The UEB primary and secondary stress marks are in Section 15.2 of the UEB codebook.
Cindi
The BANA Formats committee is proposing using hyphens in diacritics regardless of the print symbol used. However, that is NOT yet approved. You could, in this instance, replace the bullets with a hyphen and have your TN state that. As long as you are clear to the reader what change you are making to the print.
Cindi
Like this:
[simbraille],c;5#b,h;5#e,o,h[/simbraille]
The grade 1 indicator is required before the subscript indicator.
Cindi
This is a book that is teaching braille -- the student is learning the actual braille sign for ch (dots 16). The heading for the page is simply (dots 16) which of course will read as "child" in this contracted environment. Another page heading is "his was were" which can be misread as "have just go" or perhaps as punctuation (although the Grade 1 indicator would be needed there, and 2356 now has no Grade 1 meaning) ... so I thought dot locators would be needed there as well. I think I'll go with dot locators for "use". Thanks for the conversation.
I do not know of any courses currently available. I do believe there are some in the works. I would suggest you contact AER or one of the universities that teach braille to teachers. I know the universities have begun to teach it, but I do not know what curriculum they are using. I asked around a bit and could not find out anything else more specific. I will continue to look into this and let you know if I hear of anything. I do know that Hadley School for the Blind has some free courses aimed at teaching UEB to braille readers...but I do not know if that curriculum is available to teachers.
Cindi
Are you referencing a book that is teaching braille (the actual braille sign for ch) or are you referencing a book that is teaching grammar? In a grammar book, I would use the uncontracted letters ch as the heading. No grade 1 indicator required and no dot locator required. If this is a braille lesson and the braille sign for ch is being taught, I would do the ch uncontracted and then follow it with the contraction to demonstrate the concept.
Cindi
I'm standing in for Joanna for this one...Let's see if I can handle all your questions (I'm adding my own numbers for clarity):
1. I can't find the original question regarding marginal labels. It sounds like you have that right...if you still have questions about that can you please repost it - either here or on the UEB forum?
2. In regards to items listed on the symbols page of a UEB document, for the time being, we have been noting any character that may be new or unfamiliar to our customer base, including but
not limited to punctuation and indicators that have changed configurations and/or use, along with those that are currently listed based on EBAE and BF guidelines. Is this necessary or
should we just follow the general guidelines of unfamiliar or rarely used characters?ANSWER: I don't know if it's necessary, but it's probably helpful for the reader to list symbols that are unfamiliar to them. There will be a list of what symbols will be required on the Special Symbols page in the updated Formats book.
3. In the UEB sample documents listed below there is a note similar to “The Following Unified English Braille symbols are used in the instructions. This List is in braille order and each symbol is preceded by the dot locator .=.” which accompanies the symbols lists used in the document: Is this something that should be noted in documents to aid the braille reader during the transition period from EBAE to UEB or were these notes included as a courtesy in these particular example documents?
ANSWER: In the documents listed (I did not include your original list, but they can be found on the BANA website) the symbols statement you note was included as a courtesy. It is not a required statement. Again, listing symbols that might be new to a reader may be a good idea during the transition...but symbols such as the parentheses will not be REQUIRED on the Special Symbols Page.
4. It’s our understanding that the UEB Guidelines for Technical Material has not been adopted by the United States and that Nemeth code, or the Nemeth-based chemistry code, will continue to be used in formatting actual math and technical notation when applicable as outlined in the document Provisional Guidance for Transcription Using the Nemeth Code within UEB Contexts.
However, does this apply in a non-technical text where there is only sporadic math symbols or actual math problems like that outlined in BF §1.3?ANSWER: Math should be done using the provisional guidelines for Nemeth and UEB. If a literary text has simple math (like "the backyard is 32 ft2 [pretend that's a superscript!]), UEB symbols may be used. If there are calculations or higher level math, Nemeth should be used - basically the same as BF 2011. UEB was adopted as a whole code (this actually includes the Guidelines for Technical Materials). Section 11 has valid guidelines for doing math. The US agreed to keep Nemeth and we've adopted the Provisional Guidelines as a a way to do that. It's been agreed that higher level math will continue to be done using Nemeth.
If I didn't get all your questions, let me know!
Cindi Laurent
Sorry for the delay in answering, I've been away. I'm looking into this and will respond asap.
Cindi
Braille formats 2011 states: (1.15.3) "Foreign language words or phrases within an English language paragraph are contracted as though they are English. Use the dot 4 accent indicator for accented letters." With that I understand that now the accent indicator is to now follow the UEB rules. My confusion is, if the Formats Committee is recommending that foreign words within English text follow BF 2011 wouldn't that mean contractions are to be used with no further expectations of change? Are you possibly referring to a version of Braille Formats newer than BF 2011?
