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ModeratorThanks to our colleagues who are working on the updated TG Guidelines! They say that although transcription of mixed numbers below a number line is not explicitly covered in those guidelines, UEB Math/Science transcription of time labels (e.g., 1:30) is and a3#cj is the recommended transcription for the time 1:30 below a number line. So, it makes perfect sense that b#b/e would be the appropriate transcription for "two and two-fifths."
–Kyle
May 19, 2021 at 1:57 pm in reply to: Question mark as numerator / question mark in general fractions #37307kdejute
ModeratorThere *might* be an argument for your second proposed transcription. 7.6.9 of the updated section 7.6 in the Rules of UEB says "When an opening double quotation mark ⠦ is immediately preceded by a grade 1 indicator, it will be read as a question mark."
However, that same transcription ;(;8./#i) – with two grade 1 symbol indicators within the first three cells of the expression – goes against #5 in BANA's Provisional Guidance on Transcribing Mathematics in UEB, and it just interrupts the flow of the fraction in a way that is unhelpful to the reader.
We believe that ;;(8./#i) is the best transcription of the fraction "question mark over 9." The question mark in the numerator of a fraction is very unlikely to be misread as an opening quotation mark, not least of all because if we did have a quotation mark in that position, we would transcribe the fraction as follows: ;(,7./#i)So, WE WOULD RECCOMMEND using the first transcription you proposed. ;;(8./#i) A transcriber's note to explain the situation might be in order (e.g., "A question mark is used in the following fraction.").
Thank you for this question!
–Kyle and the whole NBA UEB Tech Material Committee
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ModeratorLynette,
I couldn't see your .B2K file, but I think I know what you're proposing, and I think it's really good for clarity and instruction for the student An updated transcription of your item 13 is attached (in two file formats). I think this one is the winner.
–Kyle
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ModeratorTaylor,
I'm looking into it. I suspect your second proposed transcription (with no numeric indicator before the whole number but with a numeric indicator before the fractional part of the mixed number) will be the suggested solution.
–Kyle
May 18, 2021 at 4:08 pm in reply to: Question mark as numerator / question mark in general fractions #37294kdejute
ModeratorTaylor,
I feel the same. ;(;8./#I) is cringey. Also, it goes against #5 in BANA's Provisional Guidance on Transcribing Mathematics in UEB, which says in part:
Unless a math expression can be correctly represented with only a grade 1 symbol indicator in the first three cells or before a single letter standing alone anywhere in the expression, begin the expression with a grade 1 word indicator (or a passage indicator if the expression includes spaces).
I'm passing your question along to the members of NBA's UEB Technical Material Committee for their astute input so we can give you specific feedback.
–Kyle
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ModeratorMelissa,
I think you're doing an excellent job of capturing the various components of these cards.
–Kyle
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ModeratorA few further thoughts on number lines are below. Many thanks to members of the Tactile Graphics Committee for their input!
The revised TG Guidelines (not yet published) state that number lines are graphics and so should have a blank line before and after them. And number lines should start in cell 1 unless a single number line is the entirety of an identified item (e.g., each answer choice consists of only a number line). This is so a number line will (in most cases) fit on one line without division and be easy to find.
The revised TG Guidelines also tell us that a numeric passage is not necessary for the numbers below a number line to be transcribed without any numeric indicators. In other words, numbers below a number line don't have numeric indicators, and no numeric passage is necessary for this to be the case. Tactile Graphic Guidelines tells us that all number lines are considered to be tactile graphic representations, whether they are done with braille cells (grades 4 and up) or as line graphics (K through grade 3).
The collection of rules and guidelines that apply to a UEB Math/Science transcription is surprisingly diverse. UEB Guidelines for Technical Material (GTM) applies to most "dot level" issues. BANA's Provisional Guidance for Transcribing Mathematics in UEB applies, especially to formatting concerns not covered in GTM. Braille Formats 2016 applies to text format issues not covered in GTM or the Provisional Guidance mentioned before. Guidelines and Standards for Tactile Graphics (GSTG) applies to tactile graphic issues, including number lines. The updated version of GSTG will include the symbols appropriate for number lines in a UEB Math/Science transcription. These correspond quite closely to what is in the GTM. (The 2010 version of GSTG can tell us little or nothing about dot-level concerns in a UEB Math/Science transcription.)
Since GSTG applies to these number lines we're discussing, we can use its thorough information about how to transcribe number lines, including how to format runovers (GSTG 6.5.1.11). Namely, a continuation indicator is not shown at the end of a line; a break must occur so that a tick mark starts on the new line; and the runover is in cell 3 (with the very beginning of the number line in cell 1).
So, to revisit your original questions in brief:
- A number line should almost always be formatted in 1-3 regardless of the context/exercise material.
- According to GSTG, numbers below a number line do not get any numeric indicators, and no numeric passage is necessary for this to happen.
- There is not a required number of horizontal line indicators between an arrow or a crossing vertical line. Spacing in a number line must be proportionally accurate based on the number line's content.
- Runovers of number lines begin in cell 3, with a tick mark beginning the runover line; no continuation indicator should be used.
Phew! How is it going?
–Kyle
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ModeratorIt's coming together! I only have one question. Why does the braille show more layouts of the multiplication problems than print does? For example 5×2 is only shown in a linear layout in print but is shown first spatially and then linearly laid out in braille. (Maybe the other layouts are on a reverse side to the print cards that I can't see in the file?)
–Kyle
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ModeratorAttached (as an image and in a .brf) is a possible transcription of the content from item 14 in your example. Do you think this will work for you?
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ModeratorAttached (as an image and in a .brf) is a possible transcription of the content from item 13 in your example. What do you think?
–Kyle
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ModeratorI think you'll get the best complete answers to your questions from NBA's Tactile Graphics Committee.
For what it's worth, if I were considering your questions for myself, I would take into consideration the following.
1. I know of no Tactile Graphic Guideline that says a graphic must be formatted according to Braille Formats 2016 or must be formatted beginning in cell 1. For all aspects of a transcription, I try to follow #3 of BANA's Provisional Guidance for Transcribing Mathematics in UEB, which includes the following:
Follow Braille Formats: Principles of Print-to-Braille Transcription, 2016 for the format of displayed literary text except for paragraph format, which is never blocked. For displayed mathematical expressions, use blank lines preceding and following; and indent 2 cells from the runover position of the material to which they apply.
Use of the full braille line for a displayed technical expression (with runovers in cell 3), is appropriate for higher math where expressions are lengthy and more complicated. The spaces used to indent beyond the runover in effect can make the difference between dividing or keeping a mathematical unit together.2. A numeric passage seems to make a lot of sense for a number line. My team and I often use a numeric passage for number lines.
3. I know of no rule that specifies a number of horizontal line indicators between ticks and/or arrows in a number line. Tactile Graphic Guidelines6.5.1 does tell us, "Number lines are used to teach relationships between numbers; therefore, it is essential that the proportional spacing between units be preserved."
4. Conceivably, a number line can have a runover.
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ModeratorChris,
You're right that our rule books for UEB Math/Science do not show any examples like the multiplication problems you shared (i.e., spatial multiplication problems whose factors include decimals). Following print alignment within the problem is likely your best approach. That is, right-align the factors, and do not align by place value in these multiplication problems.
One potential transcription of your example problems is attached (as an image and in a .brf).
–Kyle
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ModeratorI believe we should place the numeric indicators so that they are not in a column with any numbers.
–Kyle
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ModeratorMelissa,
Thank you for sharing your questions and ideas. These small cards sure have *multiple* components, don't they? They won't be small in braille.
I think you're quite right to present the bottom area with circles as a graphic.
I cannot think of any useful way to retain the colors that print is using. I would argue that color is most likely a visual repetition of information that is already given by the content of the cards (i.e., which numbers are repeated within a given card and which number is the answer (product or quotient)).
The tiny numbers are not necessarily part of the calculation of any problem. I would suggest that their purpose is simply to illustrate why the answer is correct. So, the tiny numbers do not need to be aligned with the equations in any way. They only need to be grouped together via formatting in braille (for example, by using blank lines) as they are via color in print.
I hope that helps. If you can share what you come up with here, we would love to see it!
–Kyle
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