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  • in reply to: UEB or EBAE #33617
    kdejute
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    Thank you for the question! I understand the temptation to use the UEB modifier for the tilde over the n; however, UEB symbols may not be used within Nemeth Code (other than the transcriber-defined shape indicator). So, for piñatas you must use the dot 4 that indicates an accent on the following letter, as shown below.

    _% #18 kazoos./6 pi@natas
      .k #3 kazoos per pi@nata _:

    Please note that in the above:

    1. the numeric indicator is required before a number that is preceded by a blank cell, and
    2. the equation "18 kazoos ÷ 6 piñatas = 3 kazoos per piñata" will not fit all on one braille line and so must be broken before the symbol of comparison.

    I commend you on your decision to include within the Nemeth Code switch indicators the whole expression "18 kazoos ÷ 6 piñatas = 3 kazoos per piñata".

    Braille on!
    –Kyle

    in reply to: complex fraction #33614
    kdejute
    Moderator

    Cheryl,

    A transcription of the items you mentioned is in the attached files; one is a BRF, and the other is a screenshot of that BRF.

    You might note that in item 10 the complex fraction starts on a new line in the runover position; this is because such a layout allows the whole complex fraction to appear on one braille line.

    Please do post again if you have follow-up questions or concerns.

    Cheers!
    –Kyle

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    in reply to: Opening NC indicator before spatial material #33564
    kdejute
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    Susan,

    I would suggest following the Guidance to the letter, thus putting the opening NC indicator on a line by itself in cell 1.

    Aaand, would you be giving the braille reader inaccurate information if you positioned the opening NC indicator in cell 3? No. So, I would suggest though not *demand* as I said above.

    Thank you for the question!

    –Kyle

    in reply to: Budget example #33506
    kdejute
    Moderator

    Sounds good. Thank you, Michael.

    in reply to: Logarithms Nemeth code #33500
    kdejute
    Moderator

    Candace, thank you for the question.

    An abbreviated function name, like the “log” in your examples, with a subscript must have a blank cell following the end of the subscript.

    See Nemeth Code section 79.d, esp. the second sentence and including example (3) and also section 77.iii including example (8).

    The Nemeth Code 1972 Revision WITH UPDATES (that can be found on the Nemeth page of BANA’s website) is the latest Nemeth Code for math and science.

    For further discussion, you may also check Lesson 14 of the Provisional Revised Nemeth Course Manual (esp. sections 14.2 and 14.9).

    Does that answer your questions? Do you now have follow-up questions? ☺️

    –Kyle

    in reply to: Budget example #33498
    kdejute
    Moderator

    Niiice.

    Firstly, I would remove all the $ from the content of the budget and just mention their presence in a transcriber’s note. Then, the only thing for which you have to use Nemeth Code is the expression and pair of parentheses after Cash Surplus.

    Now let’s talk format. The first thing I’d want to try is keeping the related column layout by presenting the wide table across facing pages. Even though that might take three pairs of facing pages (with page turns before Fixed Expenses and Cash Surplus), retaining the related column layout would likely make it easiest for the braille user to discuss the budget with print-using peers and teacher.

    Alternatively, I think finding a list format that allows you to reflect print’s organization, without separating labels from values, could serve you well. Maybe cell-5 headings for print’s bolded headings, 1-5 for the first column entries (labels/row headings), and 3-5 for Monthly and for Yearly?

    Maybe you could share here the clear and easy-to-reference transcription you create?

    –Kyle

    in reply to: Opening and closing Nemeth box lines #33467
    kdejute
    Moderator

    Hi, LaVerne!

    Thank you for the question. No, you may not have different box lines.

    If technical material immediately precedes a box that is all in Nemeth Code, begin Nemeth Code before the technical material preceding the box, and terminate Nemeth Code after and outside the box.

    Also:

    If technical material follows immediately after a box that is all in Nemeth Code, begin Nemeth Code before and outside the box, and terminate Nemeth Code after the technical material following the box.

    Lastly, if technical material both immediately precedes and follows a box that is all in Nemeth Code, begin Nemeth Code before the technical material that precedes the box, and terminate Nemeth Code after the technical material that follows the box.

    –Kyle

    in reply to: heading with displayed material directly after #33429
    kdejute
    Moderator

    Thank you. It does appear that in your print the word problem is displayed and then discussed.

    It is not logical to format the displayed material based on the margins of the heading that precedes it, because it is displayed not in order to set it off from the heading but in order to distinguish it from the discussion that follows it.

    So, I'm convinced that it is appropriate to format the paragraph beginning "KimRee had $37 ..." in 5-3 with a blank line before and after.

    –Kyle

    in reply to: heading with displayed material directly after #33425
    kdejute
    Moderator

    Thank you for the question, Shelley!

    I would reason that the word problem in the example you describe is displayed to the explanatory paragraph, which happens to follow instead of precede it.

    However, this is at odds with the wording of BF2016 9.2.2.

    "The adjusted margin is 2 cells to the right of the runover position for the material that precedes displayed matter."

    Without seeing the print in question, I dare not build an exceptional case for formatting the word problem as if it is displayed to what follows it instead of what precedes it.

    I regret that I cannot be more definite.
    –Kyle

    in reply to: Open/Close Nemeth in Column Headings #33361
    kdejute
    Moderator

    I see what you’re saying. Your first sample transcription is not appropriate. IF you had to use Nemeth Code only for parts of column headings, and you could not use Nemeth Code for the whole table, then your second sample would be appropriate.

    –Kyle

    in reply to: pH in Nemeth or UEB #33345
    kdejute
    Moderator

    Thank you for the question, LaVerne!

    To the best of our current understanding, pH is a "chemical abbreviation" and so should be transcribed in UEB in narrative text. See page 4 of the Provisional Guidance for Chemistry Notation Using Nemeth in UEB Contexts (March 2017), which includes the following:

    When chemical abbreviations and acronyms appear in narrative context, code switching is unnecessary.

    Section 9 of the Braille Code for Chemical Notation deals with abbreviations, and says "Single letters and combinations of letters used as 'shorthand' names of chemical matter are common in chemistry."

    Braille on!
    –Kyle

    in reply to: Where to place the the Nemeth Code Terminator #33342
    kdejute
    Moderator

    Upon further reflection, there is an argument for keeping the last part of answer choice D ($0.75) on a line with the Nemeth Code terminator (see attached), because there is no rule requiring that $0.75 be on the same line as the rest of the regular list that makes up answer choice D, and forcing a line break before $0.75 would keep the Nemeth Code terminator on a line with material that it is enclosing.

    –Kyle

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    in reply to: Where to place the the Nemeth Code Terminator #33339
    kdejute
    Moderator

    Barb,

    Thank you for your question and patience. The other members of the NBA Nemeth Code for Math and Science Committee and I agree that the Nemeth Code terminator you're asking about should go in the runover position of the last answer choice.

    A BRF of item 2 from your example file is attached; a picture of that BRF is also attached.

    –Kyle

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    in reply to: Where to place the the Nemeth Code Terminator #33282
    kdejute
    Moderator

    Good question. I will get back to you after consulting with others.

    –Kyle

    in reply to: Comma between equations #33281
    kdejute
    Moderator

    The commas in your example should be the dot 2 Nemeth literary comma. Nemeth Code is used for these because they occur between technical items like equations (or before a word that will be paired with a single-word switch indicator). The dot 2 comma from the Nemeth Code will be used because each comma follows a word, just like in the example you referenced from “Testing Our Patience.”

    Thank you very much for your astute and clear question!

    –Kyle

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