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ModeratorThe highlighted paragraph is a subparagraph to the Example 3 sentence. Since you put the example in 3-5, the subparagraph should be in 7-5. There should not be a blank line between the two.
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ModeratorHi Shellee.
As with any typeform, the surrounding text will give you a clue. If there is no context from which to determine an answer to your question, either bold or barred will give the reader the same information. As I research the use of the bold vs. the barred letter Z in mapping notation, I find that either is used. In this case, the typeform itself bears no specific or unique mathematical meaning.
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Lindy Walton
ModeratorHi. Sorry for the delay. I am having trouble contacting the folks who wrote the Graphing Calculator Guidelines. If the answer is affecting your work, I would go ahead and follow established Nemeth rules regarding the English-letter indicator.
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Lindy Walton
ModeratorHi Rodney.
I would not use this method for a second grade reader. I would borrow the method used for labeled chemistry arrows shown in Section 3.1.2.a of that code book. It's more graphic and follows print layout so a sighted helper is more likely to understand the braille.
See the attached brf file which illustrates this nice layout. Be sure to insert a blank line before *and after these constructions.
I also suggest using the general omission symbol for the omissions above the arrows. You can explain this layout and the substitution in the teacher notes that accompany your transcription.
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ModeratorI suggest transcribing both asterisks in UEB.
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ModeratorI understand your question and I agree with you that these letters do not qualify as "single letters" according to Nemeth Rule 6.3.1. Since I was not on the committee who wrote the Graphing Calculator Guidelines, I would like to check with them to be sure I have not missed something in those rules. I'll get back to you ...
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ModeratorOkay, thanks Mike. I appreciate your quick response!
Lindy Walton
ModeratorHi Susan.
These look like fun. I like your solution.
A couple of observations:
There's no need to show the words as bold unless there is significance to the typeform.
You can place the opening Nemeth Code indicator on the same line as the closing transcriber's note indicator.
Punctuate the words and the keyed abbreviations with a literary comma.
Make sure all your numbers are Nemeth numbers in the lower part of the cell. (There is a 1 and a 5 that need fixing)
I would move the problem to the left so the first cell of the separation line is in cell 1. This will give you more room for the comments.Lindy
Lindy Walton
ModeratorHi Susan.
The general omission symbol is not a numeric symbol. A numeric indicator is not needed because the digits will be unspaced from the general omission symbol. There will be no spaces in the addition problem.
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Lindy Walton
ModeratorSince the single letter n can be transcribed in either code (UEB or Nemeth), either transcription is acceptable. Personally, I find it to be smoother reading if you use the single-word switches because this means only one opening Nemeth Code indicator and only one Nemeth Code terminator are needed.
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ModeratorHi. This is a question for UEB Technical. Please re-post it there.
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ModeratorTrue, the suggestion we make about reading the math without the words does work here (2.5 + 2.5 DOES = 5). I would be surprised to see this example in a textbook because it is incomplete. I would expect to see 2.5 pounds + 2.5 pounds = 5 pounds, in which case the words definitely are part of the equality.
I agree with you that the problem you show can be interpreted either way. Here is where the transcriber would need to make a decision and then apply it consistently throughout the transcription.
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Lindy Walton
ModeratorSince S.A. is an unspaced abbreviation, option 1 is correct. I can't find a specific rule about this stated in the code, but Example 10-45 in Rule 10 illustrates a 2-letter abbreviation with periods (p.e.) in a math expression, and there are no English-letter indicators present.
Since the sentence in your sample says "surface area", it *should be clear that S.A. is an abbreviation and not S4A4 but if this is a test, out of of context, I suggest inserting an embedded transcriber's note after "surface area" showing S.A. there as well (in UEB).
Thank you for this interesting question.
Lindy
February 21, 2025 at 3:28 pm in reply to: Non-Mathematical arrows and equal sign used within a Nemeth w/UEB transcription #43506Lindy Walton
ModeratorHi Mike.
This is a difficult question for me to answer.
I agree that mathematical symbols which have no mathematical meaning should be handled differently. But the Nemeth code book doesn't address this beyond certain symbols used in literary-only context such as a decimal point in a section number where the UEB "dot" is used.
However, I do not think the UEB symbols should be used for the equals sign or for the arrows in your example.
So what to do with symbols that are used to replace words? I am going out on my favorite limb again and suggesting that non-mathematical symbol be replaced by the word it represents, enclosed between TN indicators. You must be certain what the symbol means.
For example,
Sympathetic stimulation (tnelevatedtn HR, tnelevatedtn BP, tnelevatedtn intracranial pressure)
Patient self-reporting by numerical rating scale tnequalstn gold standard for assessing pain tnleads totn challenge in the ICU
State in a TN or on the TN page that you are replacing certain symbols with words.
I don't think this violates Rule 4.4.6.
Please correct me -- anyone -- if this is not a good idea.
- Lindy
Lindy Walton
ModeratorIf the programming language is shown in a different font (as on an input screen), it is to be transcribed in UEB Technical. The sample you sent shows a math expression displayed to text, which is to be transcribed in Nemeth.
If you have questions about UEB Technical, you can post on that forum page and Kyle can chime in.
Good luck with this challenging assignment!
Lindy
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