[Susan Baker]

Thank you for your help!
Susan

[Susan Baker]

Hi Susan
I think that, particularly due to the grade level, I would use the numeric indicator. Although the examples are similar to a thermometer and clock (as per Unit 6 of Guidelines and Standards for Tactile Graphics), they are not in the list on page 6-2.
I think that for the volume diagram, you should simplify to a straight on view, and explain in a transcriber's note. The same note could indicate that the measurements are given in Litres (L). Move the numbers and ticks outside (to the left) of the diagram, as is done for a thermometer. For the weigh scale, it should again be simplified with a description stating that there is a watermelon and _[u]?[/u]_ bananas on the scale, but that only the dial is shown in braille. Again, you could include in the TN that the measurements are shown in kilograms (kg). The tactile graphic could then be shown similar to a clock with the ticks straddling the perimeter and the numbers (including the numeric indicator) moved outside the circular dial.
Hope this helps decide how to handle these at a lower grade level. Keep it simple!
Betty

[Susan Baker]

Hullo, Susan!

I would say that it is safe to ignore the bold for all of the i's in your worksheet.

The heading of the worksheet, "Complex Numbers", does indicate that the i's represent imaginary numbers. Since there is no indication that the i's represent a vector or anything else that would have to be denoted by boldface, it appears that the bold is used in print only for appearance.

Thank you for the question.

–Kyle

[Susan Baker]

Susan,

After conferring with my (excellent) committee, I can tell you that overall we think you should use the margin in effect. That is, your NC terminator after a spatial problem in a picture caption should be in cell 5.

Thank you for your perceptive question.
–Kyle

[Susan Baker]

Good day! I apologize for my delayed response.

I think you're right that the clearest way to represent in braille what's being shown in print is to enclose the 3 in cancellation indicators and place "13" above that line as the value replacing the 3.

I would suggest that you include a note on the Transcriber's Notes page explaining that in print regrouping is represented by a little number "one" at the top left of a number that's being replaced.

My understanding is that regrouping shown as it is in your textbook is not covered in the Nemeth Code book, because representing regrouping in this visually appealing/spatial manner in print is a fairly recent development in the publishing industry.

–Kyle
edited by Kyle Transcriber on 6/10/2015

[Susan Baker]

Answer from Kyle DeJute, Chair of the NBA Mathematics Braille Committee

Good day, Susan.

Thank you for your questions.

In response to your first question: Please do not use the UEB symbol for visible space (dots 346), because it comes from the UEB Guidelines for Technical Material, which should be avoided when creating a UEB-with-Nemeth transcription. Instead, I would suggest using the skeleton table format (Braille Formats, 2011 section 11.9.1.d), substituting the UEB low line (dots 46, 36) for the EBAE dash to indicate blanks to be filled. Use the same layout for the skeleton "hundreds-tens-ones" table that you use for the first, fully filled one.

In response to your second question: Within begin/end Nemeth indicators, you should use the double dash (36, 36, 36, 36) according to the Nemeth code book. UEB symbols are not used within Nemeth indicators, and Nemeth symbols are not used outside the confines of begin/end Nemeth indicators. So, for your equations later on in the book, I would use the following:

[braille]_% #56+100 .k ---- _:

Thank you again for your astute and well thought out questions.

[Susan Baker]

Thank you very much! Your response was helpful to me, Betty. Please keep me posted if BANA's test committee representative has any further comments.
Susan

[Susan Baker]

To clarify, I intended to say that I would put the termination at the margin after the tactile boxes. If the math ends with print instead of graphics I would put it at the end of the text line.

[Susan Baker]

Thank you, Betty. Your advice is very helpful.
Susan

[Susan Baker]

I have attached responses to your questions about Formats from Cindi Laurent, chair of the NBA Braille Formats/Textbook Committee. She provided them promptly and the delay has been all on me! Apologies.

--Joanna

[Susan Baker]

I would not and can't cite you a reason why, except to say that the blank line would imply that the description did not apply to the illustration. The reason the source citation follows the caption is so that the association between the caption and source is not lost. In Section 9, the focus of the guidelines is on displayed materials and you would need a blank line following the last item in the displayed material which generally would be the source.

[Susan Baker]

Hello,
I'd like to ask a follow up question related to this example (Sample 6-1 on page 6-14). Rule 9.5.1d says a blank line always follows a source citation or permission to copy. So, if the caption comes first, the source citation comes next, and the transcriber's descriptive note comes next, do we need to leave a blank line between the source citation and the descriptive note, according to 9.5.1d?
Thank you,
Susan

[Susan Baker]

You have answered your own question and found rules to support your decision. Good for you!

[Susan Baker]

I think I found my answer! According to Rule XVIII, the Transcriber's Grouping Symbols are categorized as grouping symbols. Rule XIII section 80 states we need to use a level indicator (in this case, the baseline indicator) whenever our grouping symbols (the ending TN symbol) applies to a level other than the one currently in effect (my superscript degrees sign). So, it looks like I will need to put a baseline indicator after my degrees sign at the end of my key list since it is in the superscript position, before my ending TN symbol, since the TN symbol has to be on the baseline.
Susan

[Susan Baker]

I think you have made a pretty good suggestion. The bold face indicator would apply to either negative numbers or negative variables. Your tn would have to state that the unemphasized letters are black. Perhaps you could also specify that the letters are uppercase in print, which would allow you to simplify even more.

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