[Susan Baker]

Good day! I apologize for my delayed response.

I think you're right that the clearest way to represent in braille what's being shown in print is to enclose the 3 in cancellation indicators and place "13" above that line as the value replacing the 3.

I would suggest that you include a note on the Transcriber's Notes page explaining that in print regrouping is represented by a little number "one" at the top left of a number that's being replaced.

My understanding is that regrouping shown as it is in your textbook is not covered in the Nemeth Code book, because representing regrouping in this visually appealing/spatial manner in print is a fairly recent development in the publishing industry.

–Kyle
edited by Kyle Transcriber on 6/10/2015

[Susan Baker]

Answer from Kyle DeJute, Chair of the NBA Mathematics Braille Committee

Good day, Susan.

Thank you for your questions.

In response to your first question: Please do not use the UEB symbol for visible space (dots 346), because it comes from the UEB Guidelines for Technical Material, which should be avoided when creating a UEB-with-Nemeth transcription. Instead, I would suggest using the skeleton table format (Braille Formats, 2011 section 11.9.1.d), substituting the UEB low line (dots 46, 36) for the EBAE dash to indicate blanks to be filled. Use the same layout for the skeleton "hundreds-tens-ones" table that you use for the first, fully filled one.

In response to your second question: Within begin/end Nemeth indicators, you should use the double dash (36, 36, 36, 36) according to the Nemeth code book. UEB symbols are not used within Nemeth indicators, and Nemeth symbols are not used outside the confines of begin/end Nemeth indicators. So, for your equations later on in the book, I would use the following:

[braille]_% #56+100 .k ---- _:

Thank you again for your astute and well thought out questions.

[Susan Baker]

Thank you very much! Your response was helpful to me, Betty. Please keep me posted if BANA's test committee representative has any further comments.
Susan

[Susan Baker]

To clarify, I intended to say that I would put the termination at the margin after the tactile boxes. If the math ends with print instead of graphics I would put it at the end of the text line.

[Susan Baker]

Thank you, Betty. Your advice is very helpful.
Susan

[Susan Baker]

I have attached responses to your questions about Formats from Cindi Laurent, chair of the NBA Braille Formats/Textbook Committee. She provided them promptly and the delay has been all on me! Apologies.

--Joanna

[Susan Baker]

I would not and can't cite you a reason why, except to say that the blank line would imply that the description did not apply to the illustration. The reason the source citation follows the caption is so that the association between the caption and source is not lost. In Section 9, the focus of the guidelines is on displayed materials and you would need a blank line following the last item in the displayed material which generally would be the source.

[Susan Baker]

Hello,
I'd like to ask a follow up question related to this example (Sample 6-1 on page 6-14). Rule 9.5.1d says a blank line always follows a source citation or permission to copy. So, if the caption comes first, the source citation comes next, and the transcriber's descriptive note comes next, do we need to leave a blank line between the source citation and the descriptive note, according to 9.5.1d?
Thank you,
Susan

[Susan Baker]

You have answered your own question and found rules to support your decision. Good for you!

[Susan Baker]

I think I found my answer! According to Rule XVIII, the Transcriber's Grouping Symbols are categorized as grouping symbols. Rule XIII section 80 states we need to use a level indicator (in this case, the baseline indicator) whenever our grouping symbols (the ending TN symbol) applies to a level other than the one currently in effect (my superscript degrees sign). So, it looks like I will need to put a baseline indicator after my degrees sign at the end of my key list since it is in the superscript position, before my ending TN symbol, since the TN symbol has to be on the baseline.
Susan

[Susan Baker]

I think you have made a pretty good suggestion. The bold face indicator would apply to either negative numbers or negative variables. Your tn would have to state that the unemphasized letters are black. Perhaps you could also specify that the letters are uppercase in print, which would allow you to simplify even more.

[Susan Baker]

You sure have put your time into this one! Thank you so much.

[Susan Baker]

Stop the presses! I've been corrected and set right by a REAL expert. I am told that the thing to do here is to bring 46 over the volume 2 after all, which I think was suggested in the first place.

End volume 1 at 45 (appropriate continuation page) and being volume 2 with 46-47.

Better?

--Joanna

[Susan Baker]

I THINK I see the confusion, though. The reason why you don't have to account for this blank page is that it's the last one. There are no pages after it, so there's nothing to account for. But you have raised a very good point.

--Joanna

[Susan Baker]

I'm sorry for the confusion, I used the wrong term. Did not really mean page change indicator, just new print page numbering (46) on new braille page up at the top right. Maybe my initial hesitation to do this from the get-go was that I was thinking when we had blank pages, we must account for them, and the way to do this was through combining our print page numbers. But, you have answered my question perfectly, and I now know this is not always necessary.

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