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ParticipantYes.
The following symbols are required on the Special Symbols page if they are used within a braille volume. Each symbol is preceded by the Dot locator for "mention" which is the first symbol in the list.
Dot locator(s)
Arrow symbols (11.6)
Line mode indicators (16.2, 16.3)
Shapes (11.7)
Grouping indicators [braille grouping indicators, parentheses, braces, brackets, angle brackets] (7)
Typeform indicators (9)
Foreign language symbols (12)
Music symbols (3.18)
Modified letter indicators (4)
Shape indicators (11.7)
Math symbols (3.17, 3.24, 6, 11)
Currency symbols (3.10)
Ratio (3.17)
Proportion (3.17)
Prime (3.11, 3.15)
Double prime (3.11, 3.15)
Minutes (3.11)
Feet (3.15)
At sign (3.7)
Tilde (3.25)
Trademark and Registered Trademark (3.8)
Code Switch indicators (14)
The following symbols are new with the approval of UEB. These symbols may be included on the Special Symbols list, but are not required.
Ellipsis
Opening transcriber's note indicator
Closing transcriber's note indicator
Percent sign
Low line (underscore)
Grade 1 symbol indicator (new terminology, same symbol)
Single closing quotation mark
Capitalized passage indicator
Capitals mode terminator
Dash
Period, dot or decimal (6) [Only when used as a dot or decimal]
claurent
ParticipantAccording to the guidelines for using Nemeth in UEB, only the -3 must be in Nemeth. However, as the transcriber looking at the material, including the other 3 within the indicators (and using the switch on 'and') might be appropriate. It really depends on the context.
Cindi
claurent
ParticipantHere is how the braille should look:
You should use the macron symbol and put a TN before the entry stating that the macron is a free standing macron (and is not over the r). There really isn't a rule about this...though UEB does allow for free standing modifiers.
I suspect it is a print error...but you need to follow print anyway.
Cindi
claurent
ParticipantIs the line indicating an omitted letter? Could you send me a scan of the print page?
Cindi
claurent
ParticipantYou should follow print and use the UEB symbol for a square (dots 1246, 3456, 145 with a grade 1 indicator in front of it). The student can either circle the appropriate box or put a line through it or something. UEB stresses following print, and since the check box is not a mathematical concept, you would not need to go into Nemeth to produce the check boxes.
Formats 2011 is being updated for UEB and will recommend following print as per the UEB code.
Cindi
claurent
ParticipantNo. A page change indicator does not require the the repetition of a passage indicator.
Cindi
claurent
ParticipantI agree that it is very hard to tell if there are spaces between those letters. I'd go with unspaced as well. If it's unspaced, the letters are not standing alone and no grade 1 indicators are required...just the caps - and it can be the cap word indicator because that would not be terminated until the space. So then you only need the one indicator.
In looking at the UEB code book, Section 8.4.2, page 81, there is an example of R.S.V.P. where each letter is single capped (another example at the top of page 82 with N.A.S.D.A.Q.). I believe its done that way because in those cases, R.S.V.P. and N.A.S.D.A.Q. are abbreviations where each letters stands for a different word. In your case, the whole word is just sort of emphasized. That's why I would use the cap word indicator.
Cindi
June 17, 2016 at 10:06 pm in reply to: Numeric and Alphabetic Print Page Numbers on combined pages #27108claurent
ParticipantI'll try to answer your questions in the order in which they were asked:
Follow print; so only put the alphabetic numbers that actually appear in print.
Yes, what you did is correct...the student will follow based on context and the hyphens are fine.
A TN is not required, but if you feel it would help the student, include one.
No. I would put i-v.
If I missed something, let me know! 🙂
Cindi
claurent
ParticipantYou should follow print. Keep in mind the rules about nesting. For instance...if you had the phrase
(What time is it?)
The open italics passage indicator would precede the opening paren. and follow the closing paren. (Nesting the parens inside the typeform indicators).
Cindi
claurent
ParticipantEither way would be correct. If the icons are used extensively throughout the text, the icons are less intrusive into the actual text. Pick a way and then be consistent.
Sounds like a fun and interesting text to transcribe!
Cindi
claurent
ParticipantI'll try -
In the first example [basically it's y = x/2] the grade 1 passage indicator is used. If you put a grade 1 word indicator on the y, the space following the y cancels the effect of the grade 1 and you would then need another grade 1 indicator on the opening grouping indicator. It's better for the reader to have less switching (less indicators) and using the passage indicator does that.
In the second and third examples, the numeric indicator following the opening grouping indicator puts the rest of that expression in grade 1 - so the symbol indicator is used before the opening grouping indicator just to let the reader know that is a symbol...and the numeric indicator took care of the rest of those equations.
In the fourth example (the last one on that print page), both of the opening grouping indicators require the grade 1 indicator. Using the grade 1 word indicator creates less switching. It doesn't change the way any of the rest of the equation is read so a grade 1 terminator is not required.
The example on the next page (and still part of 6.4) shows how different types of indicators can be used and still be technically correct. Which way to go on this one would be a transcriber and/or agency decision. Consistency would then be the key there. Choose a method and do all the equations the same way. For me, it would depend on the level of the book I was doing...and whether or not using the contractions could/would cause confusion or provide clarity.
Cindi
claurent
ParticipantIf what you are working on is a math or science book and you are using the Nemeth math code, then you would need to use the switch indicators for the absolute value (you also need it for the negative numbers, so I would do the whole list in Nemeth). If this is some other type of text that just happens to have math in it, the UEB symbol is the vertical bar (dots 456, 1256).
Cindi
claurent
ParticipantWhat you have is actually the underscore (or low line) followed by a hyphen. Because there is no ambiguity between these symbols you braille them just as they are in print...the underscore (dots 46, 36) followed by the hyphen (dots 36).
Cindi
claurent
ParticipantFor your first question: since the bold terminator has an upper dot, the 'in' contraction can be used. See 10.5.3 on page 115...there is an example of -in and the contraction for 'in' is used. Keep in mind that the 'in' contraction has special rules regarding this that other lower cell signs do not have.
For your second question: to me it is obvious that in Likewise, the period and quotation mark are included in the bold...so I would terminate after. For lip-read, it appears to me that the period is NOT included in the bold, so I would terminate before. UEB says to follow print - and if you can't tell if the punctuation is included or not, pick a way and be consistent. In the attached example, you should follow print.
Cindi
claurent
ParticipantI need to add an addendum/clarification to this answer. Originally, the guidance about numbers with a + or - in front of them did not say they had to be done in Nemeth. A change was made to the guidance that was recently updated and approved by BANA making it clear that any number that is modified mathematically (meaning it has a +, - or even a $ or %) should be done in Nemeth when using the Guidance for Nemeth in a UEB context. If these types of numbers come up in a literary text, they can be done using UEB symbols.
Cindi
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