[kdejute]

Your follow-up information raises a good point: Including "of a yard" and "of an hour" is one thing. It begs the question of what ELSE to include (or not). At this time, I cannot provide a sweeping rule for what to include and what not to include in Nemeth mode. I can, however, offer some thoughts:

I follow your reasoning about "cup" versus "cup of water". And, by extension I would only include "cup" in the Nemeth mode that is necessitated by the "3/4". I say this because "'3/4 cup' of water", "'3/4 cup' of oil", or "'3/4 cup' of hydrochloric acid" would all be the same "3/4 cup" in volume, so the "of water" does not affect the meaning given by "3/4 cup".

Similarly, I would not include the word "array" in the Nemeth mode needed for "5×5", because 5×5 is the dimension, whether those dimensions are of an "array", a "lawn", or a "room," the dimensions would have the same value.

As with other questions concerning Nemeth material within a UEB context, it is likely that our approach to these issues will evolve as time goes on and our experience grows. Thank you for keeping the conversation active. Please do continue to share your questions.

Sincerely,
Kyle

[kdejute]

In response to your first question, I would say that "of a yard" and "of an hour" should be included within the Nemeth switch indicators that are necessitated by the fractions 2/3 and 3/4.
These phrases perform the same function that "centimeters" or "km" would if they followed the numeric measurements; they are integral to the meaning of the numbers. So, they should be included in the "Nemeth bubble" uncontracted and without using single-word switch indicators.

 

UPDATE!!!

Further discussion and consideration have led to these conclusions:

• A phrase like "of a yard" or "of an hour" is not a unit of measure like "yard" and "hour" and would not be put inside the switches.
• When a word is not directly adjacent to a number that must be in Nemeth mode, the word is not considered a unit of measure.
• Some examples
  • ".5 yard" and ".5 of a yard" would be treated differently, with ".5 yard" all in Nemeth and ".5 of a yard" having only ".5" in Nemeth
  • ".75 cup of water" would have ".75 cup" in Nemeth but not "of water"
  • ".5 bag of marbles" should probably have only ".5" in Nemeth ... because "bag" is not a standardized unit of measure

The conclusions above must change my answer to your original question. However, I urge you to do what is necessary in order to produce a consistent and clear transcription.

• This reply was modified 9 years ago by kdejute.

[kdejute]

Good day, Susan!

For the example you sent (Thank you for the scan!), and others like it, I would suggest using square symbols of shape to represent the boxes representing omission.

This preserves the print's use of "boxes" and lets the reader know how many omissions are indicated.

Since this transcription is for a 4th-grader, the square symbols of shape should be appropriate to the student's knowledge of Nemeth.

If  you have further questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to share them.

Cheers!
–Kyle

[kdejute]

Please see the attached document. It demonstrates what the BANA Math committee proposes for Special Symbols page listings in a Nemeth-in-UEB transcription with number lines.

This reference was graciously provided by Cindi Laurent.

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[kdejute]

Thank you sincerely, Cindi. That is spot on.

–Kyle

[kdejute]

I'm afraid I do not know of any sample/example/template braille for Number Line symbols on a Special Symbols page.

If you do find or create one, will you please share?

I hope that all of your number lines go smoothly and well!

–Kyle

[kdejute]

The attached .BRF is supposed to be a template for listing number line symbols from the Tactile Graphic guidelines within a subsection on the Special Symbols page of a Nemeth-in-UEB-context transcription. Do you think the braille I've got will work (for the time being) as a template for such a section?

Thank you so much for your time  and input.

Sincerely,
Kyle

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[kdejute]

Yes! I mistyped when I said section 113.d. I should have said "111.d".

I sincerely apologize for the confusion. Thank you for being so studious and for following up.

–Kyle

[kdejute]

Thank you for your question and for including such a clear example.

You're quite right that the caret sign indicates a key-press on a calculator.

Now, there is a section (113.d) in the Nemeth Code that gives rules for transcribing a keystroke indicated in print by a sort of key/button shape with material inside it. However, in this case, print is not using any shape to indicate a key-press. So, I would follow print and present these representations without "keystroke" indicators.

For the caret, I suggest you do not braille it in a superscript position. Rather, its meaning will best be presented by keeping it on the baseline, as in the attached .BRF.

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[kdejute]

Oh, thank you!

–Kyle

[kdejute]

The tilde is a sign of comparison (see page 136 of the Nemeth Code, where it is part of the list of signs and symbols of comparison), and so it must follow the rules for spacing of symbols of comparison, which are in §151:

[quote=]"A space must be left on either side of a comparison symbol. However, a space must not be left between the comparison symbol and any punctuation symbol, grouping symbol, or indicator which applies to it."[/quote]
The "∆s" that follows the tilde in the example you give is a plural shape (see §39 of the NC) and is not part of the sign of comparison (tilde).

Thank you for your question.

–Kyle

[kdejute]

Good day, Susan:

It looks like all of the negative signs in this document are printed in a superscript position. So, it is practical for you to ignore print placement of signs of operation in this case. Just be sure to include a TN explaining that all of the negative signs are printed in a superscript position, but this superscript placement is not reproduced in braille.

Thank you for your question.
–Kyle

[kdejute]

I certainly understand your question; I've also wrestled with the issue of which words to include in Nemeth mode.

After conferring with people more knowledgeable than I, I can tell you that if words are part of a math expression, they are math. So, something like "Perimeter = the sum of the side lengths" should be in Nemeth mode.

For the "Units of Time" list on page 562, I too would include all its components in one big Nemeth mode.

Units of Time begin Nemeth

60 seconds (s) = 1 minutes (min)
60 minutes = 1 hour (h), etc.
...
100 years = one century end Nemeth

As for your note on the TN page about graphics being in Nemeth, I believe you could use that note and then not include switch indicators around the graphics. Personally, I would not do this; I would include switch indicators around graphics if they are in Nemeth mode, with the reasoning that this would be more useful to the reader. Regardless, you do need to follow all the guidelines laid out in the Provisional Guidance within a graphic transcribed in Nemeth mode (including guidelines regarding words).

Thank you for your well though out and well presented question. If you have further concerns, please do let me know.

–Kyle
edited by kdejute on 11/15/2015

[kdejute]

It's a good question, and I apologize that my response was delayed.

In the example you provided, the word "inch" is a word and so should be transcribed in UEB. So, your first suggestion, to use the one-word switch indicator for each "inch" is the one that I would choose. If you do not transcribe "inch" in UEB, then it could be argued that you've treated it as technical material, a sort of "i times n times c times h" instead of treating it as a word.

Thank you for your question, and thank you sincerely for providing a shot of the print.

[kdejute]

Thank you Kyle Section 4 is where I had been looking. I appreciate your time. Janice

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