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See Rule 2 sections 1 and 2 in Braille Formats. Also see the title page examples. The print and braille page numbers listed on the title page are for the current volume only.
–Joanna
You need the 2007 Update to Braille Formats (includes update to EBAE and Nemeth Code) available at the BANA website http://www.brailleauthority.org. Click on the Latest Code Updates link. Here is a link to the .pdf download.
http://www.brailleauthority.org/update07/codesupdate2007-rev1.pdf
This download is critical and has been adopted as part of the rules. It has been in effect since 2008. See the Formats section for the format to use for the ISBN number.
–Joanna
I am so sorry that I can’t send the actual print. In this case I am working with what I sent. I will try to describe it.
1. — ____
This is a dialogue dash followed by a blank to fill in. It would be 36, 36, 36, 36, 36, 36 in braille.
2. –¡____
This is a dialogue dash followed by an inverted exclamation mark and a blank to fill in. It would be 36, 36, 6, 36, 36, 36, 36 in braille.
I can’t tell. You have copied from the actual print and I need to see the actual print in order to tell what is a dialog opening and what is a blank to fill in. I see a long dash and two hyphens.And I also see this
2. –¡______ and I don’t know what that i is. Are the two hyphens meant to be the opening dialog dash?????? All I can offer here is a guess, not an answer.
See section 6.5 in the Interim Manual on dashes, especially dashes used as opening dialog marks. Consider sending a scan of the actual print. The only way to find an answer is based on what the actual print looks like, not the way it is interpreted to be copied with a keyboard.
Sorry I can’t be of more help with what is in front of me here.
–Joanna
Do I recall correctly? Are you writing on behalf of the inmates in a prison braille program? I think I remember your name in that connection but please excuse me if I’m mistaken. Thank you for attaching the print page. It is very helpful. The first choice for material of this type is to present it as a tactile graphic. It should be drawn and the appropriate information should be included in the drawing. Is there some reason why this is not being done? There is a set of guidelines that can be downloaded from the BANA website if you need further information about this. You can also ask at the Tactile Graphics section of this forum.
However, if that is not possible and you are instead going to describe this I would NOT include the information about colors as suggested in the transcriber’s notes. Of course the pie chart and the bar graph is transcribed separately. After the title simply say in the transcriber’s note that the pie chart (or bar graph) has been omitted in braille and the information is brailled as as list. Then braille the items in a simple list. When you do the bar graph, indicate which numbers are approximate since they have to be judged visually as they fall on the bar graph. The listed items might look like:
Irish: 1,887 people
German: 6,919 people
etc.
Braille the attribution after the last item with no blank line. The attitribution (Source) is brailled 4 cells to the right of the beginning of the preceding braille line.The pie chart has no atttribution. In the transcriber’s note you could says that each year is followed by the number of committees, amd when you braille that, show which of the numbers is approximate.
1990: 60 (approximate)
1992: 150
1994: 250 (approximate)–Joanna
Sorry for the delay. I do have some suggestions for you, but I need a little more information. In the print file you sent, you said that you are using square backets for single underlining and braces for double underlining. In the print that you sent I don’t see any double underlining, but in any case I am wondering why you are using square backets for single underlining. We may have to discuss this a little further because it changes the answers I would send. Even if double underlining happens elsewhere in this book and just not on the particular page you sent, I still would question using brackets for single underlining. Please share your reasoning on this.
Thanks.
–Joanna
One more thing–I see a medical symbol for “every.” You can show that with dot e4 even though it normally means “euro” because you will list it that was as a special symbol and “euro” will not be on your special symbols list. However, if you do have a euro symbol in this book, then list your “every” symbol.
[simbraille]@ev]y[/simbraille]
But only do this if you really do have a euro sign in the book. Otherwise, dot 4e for the every symbol.
–Joanna
That’s all I wanted to know. Here’s the suggested solution.
These are not the standard print abbreviations that we are accustomed to in braille, like oz, ft, in, and so on. These are also not the standard print symbols that we also are accustomed to in braille like $ and %. The braille symbol for print sign is dot 4. So for Rx you will identificy that as
[simbraille]@prescrip;n[/simbraille]
Even a familiar one like 1/2 gets a dot 4 because it is shown by the technical medical symbol.
[simbraille]@#a/b[/simbraille]
Write a TN that explains that these technical medical symbols are used in print. Use the same term that the book uses for medical symbols. Maybe it’s just medical symbols. Then list each one with its braille followed by the same identification that is given in the book.
I know that’s a lot of dots for some of these, but that is the way the reader will know that a technical symbol is used there. It accurately conveys the print.
We are not concerned with what that print symbol actually looks like. We don’t describe symbols (except in certain rare cases for a specific reason). We don’t describe what the percent sign looks like in print, for instance. We just list it with its braille equivalent. I’m suggesting that you do the same here. And since there is no braille eqivalent, use the dot 4 with identification and that tells the reader that the medical symbol that means that is what it in the print. Use the identifications as given in the print. In that way, we faithfully follow the print. Don’t forget the TN first that explains all this.
–Joanna
The transcriber with this question has left for the day, and it will be Tuesday before we can pull another page to copy. Unfortunately, I’m afraid the quality will not be any better than the first scanned pages.
But, in answer to your question about how they appear with the words – the meaning of the word is spelled out fully and not abbreviated. For instance, ounce is spelled out in a column beside its symbol, much like the document I sent. Both of the pages we previously attempted to provide show the information in such columns, though I think the transcriber said some of the text explains the meaning of the symbols as well.
Hope this helps you help us, but if not, we’ll work toward gathering more information for you on Tuesday.
Thanks so much for the time you are taking with this.
Marie AmersonWe apologize for the poor quality of the scans. I created a Word document which I am attaching that shows the medical symbols in question. I hope it will provide a better image. We look forward to your ideas on how to present these in braille. Thank you.
Marie Amerson
Index–the rules are given in Rule 7 Sec. 4. They are specific to indices. The indention and runovers of index entries is specifically laid out. There is no mention of bringing main items to the next page. There is no mention of any other section in this rule. Therefore, let the material fall naturally. There is no need to create cross-reference in the rules where they don’t exist.
Graphs–This is the sort of question that needs a print example. That is why there is no rule for it. Each case of this kind must be decidided individually.
Footnotes with punctuation. See Rule 12 Section 1 c. A symbol representing a print reference mark is placed AFTER the puncutuation in the text it refers to. The reference indicator always has a space before and after. This has nothing to do with the lower sign rule you mention because that refers to contractions. A braille reference indicator is not a contraction. The rule about puncutation and spacing takes care of this. Also note that the foodnote indicator itself is composed of lower dots without any contact with an upper dot.
Lists–I would include the reference inside the box that encloses the list because it it part of the lsited material.
Special Symbols–I’m not sure about what you are asking. The rule states that special symbols used through a volume are placed on the special symbols page. Special symbols used infrequently are given at the place where they occur in the form of a transcriber’s note. It doesn’t matter which symbol it is. Placement of special symbols notice is determined by frequency of use in the current volume, regardless of what symbol it is.
–Joanna
The second attachment (7237 medical terminology) is a blank page. Please scan and send again. The first attachment is unfortunately, not very clear, even when magnified. I am just an unfamiliar with these medical symbols as you are. I am asking you to specifically identify which symbols you want suggestions for. I am not sure which symbols have a line over the letter and which have a dot. The w0 symbol for without may not have lines over it at all. I think those might be stray marks. What do you think?
In general I am not sure exaqctly which symbols you are referring to. Some of these may indeed be math symbols and I’m happy to get further information. Please try to send improved copies that are clearer and please specify excactly which symbols you are asking about.
–Joanna
I’m sorry. I don’t have a page. I was just going over the rules and trying to understand why they say “Insert a period after the abbreviation whether or not one is shown in print” and “A period printed beneath a superscript must be brailled after the entire abbreviation“. What is the difference in “after the abbreviation” and “after the entire abbreviation?” They seem to be saying the same thing to me. Doesn’t the abbreviation include the superscript a? I wish there were examples to look at. That’s why I asked if doctora with the period before the superscript a would be brailled the same way as doctora with the period under the superscript a.
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