joannavenneri
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Celeste is a prisoner at Mt. View, she is relaying messages. She said YES they are using NLS Braille Instruction manual 2009. They could not find the answer in Braille formates.
All the comments I've heard about the new Formats have been positive. You're the first official question our forum. You follow the print with regard to copyright information. If it has only the word "copyright," braille that. If both the word and the symbol, braille that and (surprise!) if just the symbol, braille just the symbol. Follow print. Also, follow print for spacing. Sometimes in print there is a space between the copyright symbol and the word. Sometimes not. Follow the print. This also is applied regarding the spacing between the copyright symbol and the year.
--Joanna
The title page does include the "© with the date" just not the word "copyright". And thank you for getting back to me on this, I really like the way the new formats is set up. 😉
I need some clarification here. This is a textbook. Which rules are you using? You refer to Literary Rule 19. Are you referring to the NLS Braille Instruction manual? I was expecting to see Braille Formats as your reference. Please help me by explaining your reasoning here.
--Joanna
This is a common-sense situation. The page change indicator with the next print page indicator must be on the line immediately following the last line of print page text. If print page text ends on line 24, the page change indicator would be on line 25. Not good. Nothing to read on that page. The common sense solution is to leave line 25 blank and show the next print page on the next braille page. The new print page number is simply shown in the print page position without a page change indicator because the fact that the new print page number appears on the next braille page for the first time is enough of an indication that a new print page has started.
If the print page text ends on line 25, where in the world would the next print page number go, except on the next braille page? Again, no page change indicator, just that next print page number in the print page number position.
--Joanna
It appears that the wrong page was attached with this question. The page here is exactly the same page as in the Timeline question. I'm working on the other two questions and I'll look forward to receiving this about List Format.
--Joanna
I think there are no braille examples for the sidebars because they aren't necessary. "Sidebar" is a new term in Formats and the braille format is very well described. Simply braille the sidebar as boxed material, using the appropriate paragraph format as in print, and place the material in the appropriate location as determined by how the material relates to the regular text. The commentary in the section clearly explains that the purpose of the section is to identify sidebars so that the transcriber will know which print material to treat in this fashion. Several types of print sidebars are shown. If a transcriber is uncertain about how to place material in a box, I recommend a visit over to Section 7 Boxed Material.
--Joanna
Example 24 does indeed fit your print situation. You have BOTH regular text AND boxed material across facting pages. Look at the second part (2) of Rule 6 Section f on page 172. It refers to regular text with boxed or screen material on facing pages. I think you were looking at only the first part of this rule, which refers to the situation of ONLY boxed material across facing pages. Notice that the second part of this rule describes how to handle this material--regular print page numbering with a TN to explain the boxed material, just as the example shows.
--Joanna
I'll assume we're using 1997 Formats. See Rule 12 Section 5b. In both cases, place this material either before or after the appropriate paragraph. Since marginal material is in 7-5, that is done here as well. In the case of the Robert E. Lee quotation, which is a simple paragraph, braille it in 7-5 preceded by a braille reference indicator. The Robert E. Lee attribution is in cell 9, 4 cells to the right of the beginning of the previous braille line.
In the case of the Whitman poem, I would again start with the braille reference indicator and braille each line as a separate paragraph, starting in cell 7. Use Rule 10 Section 1a(2)(b) for indentiona of poetic lines and runovers, only start lines at the margin in 7. Indented lines start at cell 9 and all runovers are in cell 11, two cells to the right of the furthest indented poetic line. The Whitman attribution is 4 cells to the right of the beginning of the previous braille line.
Whew! This type of material is handled differently in the new Formats guidelines. See Section 12 Sidebars. But don't use that here. Wait for a new transcription before using the new guidelines. I mention it here as something to look forward to.
--Joanna
I am attending the BANA meeting and away from my rule books. Are you referring to the 1997 BANA Formats or tne new Formats just released? When the text refers to the print page, just follow text and braille what is printed. Do not add the continuation letters. The reader knows that most print pages extend on for several braille pages.
--Joanna
Some of the changes in the new Formats are minimal and there are many things that have not changed at all. However, there are many changes that are significant and these should be studied carefully. BANA has not yet announced an implementation date. And it is standard practice not to change rules in the middle of a current transcription.
The new guidelines have been released and posted. This means that transcribers are authorized to use these new guidelines for any new book that is started. If there is a new book to do and further study of the new formats is needed, go right ahead and transcribe that book under the old formats. You should take all the transition time you need. At some point BANA will announceme an implementation date, usually in 6 months or a year from the present and that means that BY THAT DATE, new books should be done with the new guidelines.
To summarize, use the new guidelines as soon as you feel ready. You MUST uas the new guidelines for any new book after the implementation date.
--Joanna
Sorry for the delay. Thanks for the print pages. I am away from home attending the NBA conference at St. Louis. I don't have my Formats book with me and I need to look at the rule and examples to be able to answer you accurately. I think the issue is that you may be referring to the rules about pages that have the material across facing pages for the ENTIRE are of both pages. That is different from the case you have, in which the material across is only on a portion and the remainder of the page areas are printed in the usual manner, from one page to the next.
I have to look up those pages myself.
I'll be home next week.
--Joanna
