[Joanna E. Venneri]

Actually there is a guidelines for this. It just doesn’t describe this exact situation. Take a look at Formats 2.3.8d Print Page Information. See (3) and Examples 2-11 and 2-11. The print page numbers are divided by groups in the order printed–they just didn’t list YOUR groups. But the principle applies here and I agree with your choice to list the full page numbering with the groups separated with commas as you show.

–Joanna

[Joanna E. Venneri]

UEB

[Joanna E. Venneri]

Here’s a pdf of the page – the word “stasimon” is first italicized then not. I am inclined to use contractions.

I am referring to section 13 of the Rules of Unified English Braille, 2nd edition 2013.

Thanks, Joanna!

[Joanna E. Venneri]

I’ll be glad to help. Italics is no longer used to determine if a word is considered foreign and neither is the dictionary. It generally depends on the context, especially when such a word occurs in otherwise English text. It would help if you would please send a scan of a print page where this occurs so that I can see the context.

Chapter 13 of which code? What source are you referring to? Formats? Interim Manual? Something else?

–Joanna

[Joanna E. Venneri]

Joanna,

So that you have a complete picture I’ve attached the 3 pages that use the same heading, with a different sub-head in italics (I call it a sub-head for lack of a better term, unless you have another):

Lesson 2
Commas in Sentences
Teaching

I assumed that the bigger the heading the higher in the hierarchy it would be. Your insight on how it is read offers new food for thought.

Q1: I like your presentation of “… ^ TNinsert commaTN.” Should a dot 4 be added to the caret symbol since it would stand alone? If the dot 4 is to be added I would include on the Spec.Symb. page and add an explanation to the Trans.N. page as well.

Q2: Since the paragraph in the original post is set off by different margins I formatted as displayed material (BF 9.1). In displayed material the adjusted left margin would be cell 3 (BF 9.2.2), and since the paragraph is indented it would begin in cell 5. (BF 9.2.2.d).

Contrary (it seems) to the above, BF 10.7 covers displayed differently in exercise material. BF 10.7.1 calls for indented displayed paragraphs in 7/5.

So perhaps the question should be– [u]Is this paragraph displayed[/u] and [u]is it exercise material[/u] or not?

BF 10.1.1 states “An exercise set may include headings, directions, examples, questions, and answer choices. Each exercise set is formatted differently.” In reality, could the entire book be considered exercise material? I always thought Exercise material had to have a question AND answer part, and since this portion does not, I used the format of 5/3 in BF 9.2.2.d.

Q3: Since the item (heading) is 5/5, I didn’t think this would count as a list nor that it would be an outline format. Again my thinking was that lettered topics in an outline began in cell 1. I do agree that letters punctuated need not have the letter sign, I just didn’t know what to call it.

I hope that I haven’t further complicated things, though it seems that answering one question begets another sometimes.

Thanks, Fred

[Joanna E. Venneri]

Q1. See Braille Formats 18.6 Proofreading marks are not used in braille. [u]Do not devise signs for them.[/u] Delete the transcriber’s note because it isn’t needed. Braille the directions in 5-5 as printed. When you get to the last sentence in the directions Use the proofreading symbol enclose the words insert comma within TN indicators. [simbraille],,, symbol ,’9s]t -a,’4[/simbraille] That identifies the symbol for the reader and the TN indicator informs the reader that this identification was added by the transcriber.

Q2. Double spacing in print is ignored in braille. A book may be transcribed in double-spaced braille, but that has nothing to do with how the book is printed. This paragraph IS the exercise and NOT displayed. It should be brailled as an indented paragraph in 3-1. I’m not sure why you refer to 5-3. I couldn’t find any provision for anything in exercises to be in 5-3. IF this paragraph had been displayed, it would be 7-5. See Formats 10.7.1.

Q3. Letters that enumerate items in a list or outline and are followed by punctuation are brailled without the letter sign as shown in the braille you included.

Please consider the main heading used here. Without access to other pages in the book, it’s hard to tell, but I think Application is not shown accurately. Is Application a repeated heading that applies to other exercises in this lesson? It is possible that the order of this heading is

Lesson 2
Application
Commas in Sentences

Look at other pages in this book and try to determine how these headings are intended to be read. The print position, especially with headings, can be misleading. As far as can be reasonably determined, headings should be brailled in the order they are intended to be read, regardless of print appearance.

If there are further questions, please post them.

–Joanna

[Joanna E. Venneri]

The official implementation date of UEB is Jan. 4, 2016. This applies to ALL transcriptions. First, you should determine whether this transcription will be with UEB or not at this time, and that is an agency decision. That applies to any transcription.

When you have determined whether EBAE or UEB will be used, please post that information and we can then advise you about how to proceed in foreign language braille.

–Joanna

[Joanna E. Venneri]

Hi Fred,

1. Tabs are generally omitted. If the chapter heading in the tab is used as a heading at the beginning of the new chapter, definitely omit the tabs. No TN is needed.

2. Headings are brailled the first time they appear and are generally not repeated as the material that pertains to them continues. However, if the same heading is used again after some other material under a different heading, repeat it in braille as in print.

3. I agree.

4. The bold letters are simple abbreviations to be used for word identification. The capital letters are enough, especially since the letters are well-explained in the text. The single cap S is preceded with a letter sign followed by the cap indicator. The other letters do not need the letter sign, because the double caps make it clear that these are just letters and none of them are contractions. DO is not the word do (as in DO something) and that is made clear in braille with presenting the letters separately with double caps. [simbraille],,do[/simbraille]

I suggest retaining the bold in the exercise itself because both both and italics seem to be used in the book, judging by the other material on this page.

An image file is just fine and a .pdf is not necessary as long as the image is good enough to be read. There is not problem in reading this one and it was very helpful. Thanks for including it.

If there are any more questions, please let us know!

–Joanna

[Joanna E. Venneri]

As you said, double indicator at the beginning and a single indicator before AIFD

–Joanna

[Joanna E. Venneri]

Thanks, Joanna!

[Joanna E. Venneri]

Perfect! That makes things fairly simple.

I agree with your solution–use the symbolic colon given in Formats. Somewhere in the Interim Manual is a statement that says to follow the current Formats for formatting not covered in the manual. I would do that here. So list this in Special Symbols with the name given in Formats. I would also add a very brief explanation of use, such as the one you gave in your original post, perhaps something like Symbolic colon. Indicates separation of words into two sentences. Feel free to use your choice of wording.

And when the reader sees how this is used, he/she will get the idea. No need to comment about the spacing–just follow print for spacing. With the symbol identified and explained, the reader will discern the spacing from actually doing the reading.

–Joanna

[Joanna E. Venneri]

I’m conferring on this and answers and suggestions will be posted as soon as possible. Thanks for your patience.

–Joanna

[Joanna E. Venneri]

I have consulted with Cindi Laurent, the chair of the NBA Formats Committee and we agreed that there is NO blank line between these directions and the paragraph. Here’s why.

The guidelines that you correctly cited it not worded as well as it might be. The paragraph that is referred to is given as an examples of displayed material, a format that would require the blank line. But bear in mind that there is NO blank line between the directions and the exercise. In this case, the paragraph IS the exercise; it is NOT displayed material and that’s why there is no blank here between the directions and this paragraph.

Thank you very much for sending the print example. It was very helpful.

–Joanna

[Joanna E. Venneri]

Thank you Joanna
I appreciate the time you spend answering our questions.

Janice

[Joanna E. Venneri]

1. Sample 14-8: Verse Play applies to this situation. Formats 14.6 says the first line of poetic dialog is 1-5 with additional lines by the same speaker in 3-5.
2. See Formats 15.5. In poetry (and plays in verse) only the line numbers shown in print (in this case every 5 lines) are shown in braille. ALL the poetic lines observe the required right margin.

However, the note section at the end of the print page uses the entire braille line and does not observe that right margin. See Formats 16.4.1g.

ALL the numbered lines observe the right margin whether a specific line actually shows a number. The notes do not.

–Joanna

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