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I don’t know what you mean by “per-mile” sign. There is no specific sign for that. Do you mean that slash? Can you send me an example of what this per mile looks like in print?
–Joanna
I MUST be missing something. Why would you need a page change indicator? Can’t the next print page just start on a new braille page? And the end of volume statement can be on that.
–Joanna
Thanks for your quick replies! It would work just fine for me to put a page change indicator on a new braille page for print page 46 and leave a blank line, and then put my end of volume statement. I guess I have just never seen that before, but there are first times for everything.
SusanSingle side, not interpoint.
Page 46 has just the page number (46) and a running head which pertains to the section being finished (Graphs). Nothing else.
Thanks,
SusanThinking about this some more–it’s harder when it’s not in front of you–but if page 46 is the last page of the volume, why does it need to be combined with anything? There are no missing pages between 45 and 46, are there? So can’t 46 just come next, end the volume and begin the next volume with 47? Did I miss something?
–Joanna
Is this interpoint or single sided? Is page 46 actually present in the book with the print page number 46?
–Joanna
No, it doesn’t feel so wrong. It LOOKS so wrong. That’s because you and I can see it. But your reader can’t. There is a similar question a couple of posts down called Index Alpha Divisions that raises the same issue. Here is my response to that:
Print readers see a blank line immediately and read on, but braille readers can only tell by journeying across at last half of the print page, whether that line is indeed blank or bearing text. In the case of that very short alphabetical division, when centered, it also requires a journey across half the page before the reader knows it’s there. The elimination of that blank line may not be so pleasing to look at for the print reader, but I suspect it improves the reading experience in braille. The braille reader has to look at only one line past the running head, catch that division letter, and immediately see text close in, if not actually at, the left margin on the very next line.
Of course here, the next text will be in cell 5, pretty close in, especially since the reader will now be aware that these are cell-5 entries and be expecting to see them. And as you have rightly noted, there is no exception for headings. No blank line before and after alpha division letters except for the very first one. That way, the reader spends as little time as possible to get across from a letter to the next entry.
–Joanna
Yes. That’s why it’s called GUIDELINES. “Primary” means “the first one.” And if there’s no SECOND type of bullet, then this is the ONLY bullet type and there’s no need to imply that there are other types. This is a now way to handle the situation when there IS more than one type of bullet. Previously, there was not a provision for this and now there is.
“Guidelines” means that everything is not spelled out and that transcriber are encouraged to use professional good judgment.
–Joanna
Me too. Seriously. Displayed material has a blank line preceding. This announces to the reader that the nature of the text has changed. No problem with that when the displayed material begins on the same braille page. But if text ends on line 25, there’s no space for the blank line except at the beginning of the next page.
I use that as my starting point. When I have a specific situation as I’m transcribing that I can’t figure out, I look in Formats for information and hopefully, an example. I don’t think there is an absolute unifying principle for this or even a hard and fast procedure for all cases. With situations like this I find it best to work on a case-by-case basis. And you’re always welcome here.
–Joanna
Yes, do add that blank line. That will tell the reader that the display is over and you’re either back to main text or something else. That is especially necessary in this case because both types of text begin in cell 3.
–Joanna
Thank you for the great question and for sending the print and the braille. There’s a lot going on here, so I’ll try to take one thing at a time.
First, obviously there is no direct answer for this in Formats. That’s why you sent this in. In such a case, I start the search for a solution by using the formats that are already there. In other words, I don’t create solutions that aren’t there unless I can’t find anything first based on what IS there. Second, this is why they are called GUIDELINES. You might disagree with what I suggest. Another transcriber might suggest something else. Usually, it’s not a matter of who is right or wrong. It’s a matter of your best judgment. So here’s my best judgment which you are welcome to use if it works for you.
The numbered reference at the bottom of the print page (3. wampum …) is a conventional reference note that should be handled as given in Section 16 as you did in your Example 3. That reference should be there by itself WITHOUT the additional vocabulary words. We can agree that the separation line and so forth is placed in braille after the print page concludes.
The Vocabulary listings COULD be interpreted also as reference notes because Section 16.1.4 does state that a note may be located at the margin. But in this case, these items are printed so differently, the numbered reference (wampum) and the vocabulary words, which leads me to think that they are intended to be read a little differently as well. Fortunately, Formats provides for this.
The Vocabulary words are placed at the top of the print page, which leads me to think they are intended to be read FIRST, before the text, so that the reader will already have the information about those words before starting to read. Therefore, I would treat the Vocabulary words as sidebars (Section 12) and in particular, I like Sample 12-6. Now it is true these words are not at the beginning of the lesson, but they are at the beginning of that print page. I would box that vocabulary listing, including the heading, and place it as a sidebar before the first paragraph on that page. If appropriate, you could retain the blue typeface for those words in the text. (Is there a glossary at the back of this book? Are those words also listed there?)
In this way, I feel we have followed print as closely as possible, by handling the numbered reference according to its print appearance and the vocabulary list according to its print layout as well.
–Joanna
I believe this is on the errata list. For now, here’s my recommendation.
Just as a single symbol is not a box line, 3 of them isn’t a box line either. I would NOT use this option. I would list the box lines as shown in Formats with the single symbol and add the description that you have suggested “box lines go across the page” for both top and bottom box lines and any other box lines that may be necessary.
–Joanna
