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ParticipantSorry for the delay in answering - I had no internet for the weekend!
There is no rule that says where the blank lines have to go - just that they are between segments and not within them. I always add blank lines from the top down and take them out from the bottom up...but again, there is no rule about it. It also seems that most others I know do the same.
Cindi
claurent
ParticipantWhen BF talks about established margin it's referring to the articles that may precede an entry word.
Your entry word begins in cell 1; subentries all begin in cell 3. The translation for the subentry follows on the same line as the subentry (separated by a colon). 21.9.2e is only used when there are article that precede an entry word. Follow examples 21-36 and 21-37.
The changing of the margin from page to page just needs to be handled logically...and in a way that makes it clear to the reader that they are looking at entries or subentries.
Cindi
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ParticipantIf I understand you correctly:
aufpassen; would go in cell 1 (substitute a semicolon for a colon)
Pass auf!: Watch out!, 6 would go on the next line in cell 3 separated by a colon
Passt auf!: Pay attention!, p. 8 would go on the next line in cell 3, separated by a colon
All the runovers would be in cell 5
As to your other question, this gets so confusing! I would suggest moving 'aussehen to look like, to appear' to the next braille page so that its subentry is in the correct place for this entry word. It does leave some extra blank space at the bottom of a braille page, but it makes it clearer for the reader.
As information: BANA is working on wording to clarify all of this in Formats - as well as putting together a guideline that is a separate document regarding FL. Stay tuned for that as I hope it will "fix" a lot of your questions relating to these sections.
Cindi
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ParticipantThe quote marks should match. In your example, there is no need to use the two cell closing quote mark. The lower sign contraction for 'was' cannot be used when in contact with the dash (UEB 10.5.1) so there should be no confusion as to the fact that it is a quote mark.
Cindi
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ParticipantThis is an interesting contents! Here is my suggestion...
Put "Notes on" in cell 1
Then put each of the items with page numbers in cell 3 (with the page numbers going out to the right margin using guide dots). "and Flavor" would be one "item" so the word "and" would begin in cell 3.
Then put the names that appear under the entry line beginning in cell 5 with all runovers in 7.
There is no rule about this so this is only my suggestion! It was the only way I could think of to get the page numbers where they need to be 🙂
Cindi
claurent
ParticipantMy first thought is that the stairstep format might not be the best option because of the TN's. TN's are always 7-5 unless they are embedded within the text. The fact that the TN would potentially confuse a reader as to what "step" of the table they are in leads me to say that another of the wide table options would likely be a better fit. If you want to send me a picture of the table, I am happy to suggest a different way to present it in braille.
Cindi
claurent
ParticipantThey definitely aren't line numbers. If anything, they are more like numbered paragraphs. Rule 15.9 talks about how to handle texts in verse format. Please check that out and feel free to ask any follow up questions!
Cindi
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ParticipantFormats does not address this issue. My suggestion would be to consider the entries with multiple page numbers a bit like a subentry in index form...and run the page numbers immediately following the "Inquiry Skill: Classify" rather than putting those page numbers in the right margin. So for this one, treat it as a subentry to "Air Masses" and it just wouldn't have a page number in the margin.
If you come up with a better option, let me know!
Cindi
June 8, 2020 at 10:42 pm in reply to: List starts on line 25, but one complete item follows a heading… #35575claurent
ParticipantI completely agree with your reasoning. This is a list and the list cannot start on line 25. The heading is part of it - but not part of the list itself. 8.3.5d IS, in fact, referring to when you have list items that take up more than one braille line.
Cindi
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ParticipantNo, you do not need to terminate the typeform for the line numbers.
Cindi
claurent
ParticipantYou should follow print and unspace them. You would use a capital symbol indicator and no grade one indicators as they are not standing alone.
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claurent
ParticipantBF 4.3.1 says "A heading can be placed on line 1 of the braille page if a running head is not used."
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ParticipantThis is really a question about UEB rules and would be better posted there - but I checked with that "expert" and we agree that these would be separate elements and should be separately italicized.
Be well.
Cindi
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ParticipantSorry for the delay in responding. I'm never quite sure how to answer these types of questions as I am not a part of the NLS program. However, I can tell you that the heading should be centered on a 40 cell line (leaving at least 3 spaces on either side of the heading). This item IS one of the items up for discussion in our errata process (which has started) for BF. Not to change it, but to clarify it.
Cindi
claurent
ParticipantI'm not sure that BF states that there is a "Standard Paragraph Format". 3-1 paragraphs are certainly more standard than blocked paragraphs. BF does state to follow print for whichever format is used...with the exception that if a book is done ENTIRELY in blocked paragraphs, the format may be changed to 3-1 as long as a TN is included on the TN page that states the change.
Regarding NLS issues...I would say to follow whatever directions are given. I am not an instructor but I did speak with our instructor about this and he states the same. Watch the directions carefully as the requested format changes for different lessons/exercises/drills.
Cindi
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