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Thanks, Cindi.

I would still need the TN from Braille Formats and insert the print page number before each note number, correct?

Best,
Rebecca

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I'm getting some other expert opinions...I'll get back to this asap!

Cindi

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Yes. Follow print. Make the reference marks within the text superscript with no punctuation (as in print) and put the number followed by its period in the note itself (again, as in print).

Cindi

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You should not use the contraction for 'in' in in. I believe that guideline about contractions is specific to abbreviations that relate to knit or crochet stitches.

Cindi

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Yes. See UEB Rule 10.6.5 where the ea is used in agreeable.

Cindi

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Hi Cindi
A few general question about UEB transcriptions:

In a lower grade transcription, I have a series of repeating letters, and the student is asked to find the core pattern and what the pattern would look like if it continued. For instance, A A B B C C A A B B C C A A. Do I use the grade one passage indicator then the capitalized passage indicator followed by the letter A ? or do I individually capitalize each letter and use the grade one indicator before letters B and C.

Use the grade 1 passage and caps passage indicators. Don't forget to terminate them in the reverse order of how you opened them (open grade 1, open caps passage, close caps, close grade 1).

Is the grade one passage indicator terminated by an under score? is the numeric passage indicator?

No. The passage indicators stay in effect until the appropriate terminator is inserted. So grade 1 is in effect until the grade 1 terminator is inserted.

I’ve noticed that the numeric passage indicator is not within the BANA’s Instruction Manual, but is in ICEB The Rules of Unified English Braille. Is the numeric passage BANA approved?

All UEB symbols are BANA approved. I've been told that the numeric passage indicator is only used in a math context...which is why it isn't in the NLS instructio manual.

I have the following: ACT Online Prep™ . Is the italics terminated before the trademark symbol or do we ignore that the trademark is not in italics and terminated it after? I know UEB 9.7.3 says to ignore a change in typeform for closing punctuation. Would this apply for a symbol?

Terminate italics before the trademark symbol.

Thank you

You are welcome!

Cindi

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See my answers below

I have a few more questions concerning UEB transcription with encapsulated Nemeth:
• Are functions, such as “f(x)” or “f(8)” done in Nemeth mode or UEB?

[color=rgb(255, 0, 0)]Yes, functions are done in Nemeth[/color]

• How do we do colored boxes when the color is relevant?

[color=rgb(255, 0, 0)]Formats is recommending that an indicator (use a transcriber-define typeform indicator) is placed beginning in cell 1 of the opening box line, follow it with one blank cell and then complete the line with the box line symbol. Of course, the indicator must be explained somewhere - the Special Symbols page or a transcriber's note at the site.[/color]

• Is a grade one indicator used on a single letter on a tactile graphic?

[color=rgb(255, 0, 0)]If the tactile is being done in UEB. There are a couple options for tactiles (at least until the Tactile Graphics Guidelines get updated). You can do a note on the Transcriber's Notes page saying that all the tactile labels are done in Nemeth...that means that no contractions are used in any labels that are words. The math is "regular" Nemeth. Or you can do a TN above the graphic telling the reader which code is used for labels. If a tactile is preceded by an equation, just leave Nemeth open until after the tactile (insert the closing indicator after the tactile). Or you can just open Nemeth prior to the tactile and close it after (place the indicators at the margin). There would need to be a blank line after the begin Nemeth indicator and a blank line before the end Nemeth indicator (the blank lines must be before and after the tactile itself). Remember that if you are in Nemeth, you cannot use contractions in words.[/color]

And a few general question about UEB transcriptions:
• On the SSP we list the symbols in braille order, what do we do when two symbols have the same dot configurations? Alphabetical from there? For example the top and bottom exterior borders for a set of nested boxes is the same as the solid scale mark for number lines.

[color=rgb(255, 0, 0)]Yes, alphabetic order is good.[/color]

• Are we allowed, for ease of the reader, to list symbols for number lines construction, perimeter construction, Spanish alphabet symbols ect,. under category headings as opposed to braille order.

[color=rgb(255, 0, 0)]Yes, I would say that's a good idea...but I would only do it for very specialized symbols - even if I might personally want to do otherwise :)[/color]

• Where can we go to find a list of all symbols that need to be listed on the SSP? (actually symbols not a generalized list as in the instruction manual)

[color=rgb(255, 0, 0)]There isn't one yet. Although I did post a proposed list to a previous question on this expert page. You can get it from there if you'd like it. Just know that it is PROPOSED and may change.[/color]

• On a line graph done in UEB, on the horizontal axis, can we use the numeric passage indicator on the first value and terminate it on the final value?

[color=rgb(255, 0, 0)]No.[/color]

• How do we treat vocabulary words, embedded in text, that are both in bold type are highlighted? Do we maintain the double font attribute and use a transcriber defined font for the highlight? e.g. `#1^1,ADJAC5T `#1^1>CS

[color=rgb(255, 0, 0)]Unless there is a need to keep both typeforms, keep the bold and ignore the highlighting. If there are other bold words in the text, keep the highlighting (use a transcriber-defined typeform indicator) and ignore the bold.[/color]

Thank you

[color=rgb(255, 0, 0)]You are most welcome![/color]

Mitch

[color=rgb(255, 0, 0)]Cindi[/color]
edited by claurent on 10/12/2015

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Per Phyllis Landon of the ICEB code maintenance committee, we are to use dots 5, 146 for the checkmark.

Cindi

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• Are enclosed list of numbers and/or letters done in Nemeth mode? For example,(1, 2, 3) or A(1.5, 0) (grid coordinates).

I would do coordinate grids in Nemeth (as enclosed lists).

• Are compound expressions done in Nemeth mode? For example “45-ohm” or “carbon-14”. I noticed in the NBA Publication Nemeth/UEB Example 11 page 14 Mrs. Worthington encapsulated “3.0-m” in Nemeth and I assumed it done so because it’s a compound expression.

It's done that way because it's used in a math context. If you had carbon-14 and it's not used in any equations in the text surrounding it, you can do it in UEB.

• Could you please clarify the Provisional Guidance Additional Guidelines #2 concerning symbols such as the percent sign. If it’s something like “9% a year” and nowhere within that volume is the percent sign used in math notation, however it was used in pervious volumes and will be used in the future. Do we switch? do we stay in UEB? How important is the consistency of symbol usage?

This is a tougher one. You have to review the book you are doing. If percent signs are used consistently is math contexts (within equations, etc) you should do them all in Nemeth. But...if they aren't being used in equations or formulas, you can do them in UEB. Consistency is always important in braille, but I think using Nemeth and UEB together will change that to some degree...there will be itemized material that uses both Nemeth and UEB indicators...or number with decimals (like Section 3.2) done in UEB and in Nemeth (3.2+2.3). Do the best you can and try to keep things as consistent as possible. In this case, I would look at things in chunks. If you have a chapter on percents where most of the use of the % sign is mathematical, do them all in Nemeth...but if all the other chapters in the book use the % symbol rarely and in non-math context, it's ok to do those in UEB. Sorry I don't have a hard and fast rule for this!

Cindi

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I agree with you that you would still need the Nemeth switch indicators preceding and following the math. The base code for the volume is UEB...even if you are using Spanish for that small part.

Cindi

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You insert a line continuation indicator (dot 5) at the end of the first braille line (be sure to split the web address at a logical point).

Cindi

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I will assume your base code is UEB. Use a transcriber-defined indicator (UEB 3.26) and place it after the word within the text. That symbol should be explained either in a TN at the site or on the TN page. The indicator is placed within the text just to let the reader know there is a reference note that applies to this text. Put the footnote at the bottom of the print page according to Formats guidelines (separated from text by the note separation line). Do NOT repeat the transcriber-defined indicator preceding the footnote because there is no print reference mark.

Cindi

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Thanks Cindi - and I hope you don't get too tired of the questions. Am just starting to use UEB for real - and while the courses are good this is where the rubber meets the road. Am grateful for your availability - you and all the experts!!! Linda

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Thanks Cindy - at least gives me direction to go in.

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There is a proposed list of what will be required on the Special Symbols list. I'm attaching that list. Please remember that this is PROPOSED and may change before the release of the updated Formats document.

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