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  • in reply to: Vertical Number Line #21764
    Lindy Walton
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    Patty, I would follow print and braille this number line as a tactile graphic, using numeric indicators. This appears to be a book for the elementary grades, so it should follow print layout if possible, especially if this is the first time the concept is shown.

    If the book has *many more of these, it would be OK to rotate them (at your discretion, and only as a space-saving device) but this change must be explained in a transcriber's note; and if the "move down" text continues, embed a TN changing the directive to "move left" (and "move up" to "move right"). Ordinarily we do not change the wording, but in this case it is needed for clarity.

    in reply to: Roman Numerals #21757
    Lindy Walton
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    Here is how to braille VIIIA/8A following Nemeth Code.

    [braille],,VIII,A_/8,A

    in reply to: Tests, Examples #21742
    Lindy Walton
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    Hi. Your interpretation of the headings at the top of the page looks fine to me. *Be sure to include the lesson number with the first centered heading--in this case, "1-2 Study Guide and Intervention" Also, cross references and incidental notes are now placed in 7-5, not blocked in 7-7. (See BF2011 9.6) This is just an fyi since your notes are so short they will not have runovers.

    Your question about repeated headings: Braille Formats makes no additional heading rules for tests. Do not braille the repeated headings.

    Now, about the layout of the Examples. Making "Example #" a cell-5 heading is fine. But after reading your next question, I think another approach may work better.

    The "Example" text is really a problem phrased in the same wording as the directions in the exercises which follow. For example, the first exercise instructions say "Write each power as a product of the same factor." and then four numbered powers follow. Example 1 replaces "each power" with an actual problem: "Write 6^3 as a product of the same factor."

    I am going suggest that you refer to Braille Formats 2011 for guidance with Exercise Material (Section 10) where we are told to format examples in the same way the following problems are formatted. (BF2011 10.8.4) I would treat "Example 1" as an item with no subitems: 1-3. The displayed example problem then would fall in 5-7. This makes the special linked expression in Example 2 look just fine, in the display cells of 5-9, 7-9 (no runovers in this case).

    In the case of Examples 1 and 3, the explanatory text would be a displayed paragraph (9-7) and the mathematical expression which follows will be in the display cell 5-7.

    Do not leave a blank line between examples since they are each simply itemized text. You will find that this layout saves space and falls nicely under the fingers.

    One detail I am wondering about is how to handle the labels (Example 1, Example 2, etc.) since BF 10.8.1 tells us to retain emphasis for labels identifying examples when the label is not followed by punctuation. BANA is preparing guidelines for applying BF2011 to a Nemeth transcription so we are on our own right now. I agree with you that retaining emphasis would be cumbersome here since you would need to use the Nemeth type-form indicators. A solution might be to use double caps for the word EXAMPLE much as we do for labeled statements. That sets the label apart from the text better than following print capitalization here. I would call this creative application of a rule in an unusual circumstance.

    I would love to hear if this works for other Examples in this test.

    in reply to: Transcribers Note – Embedded or on TN Page #21741
    Lindy Walton
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    Thank you for the quick reply and again, sorry for the attachment craziness.
    I understand your suggestions and the reasoning and will proceed as you have suggested.

    The tenths models that you asked about I am planning to spur.
    Thank you again for all your help,
    Patty

    in reply to: Displayed margins. #21739
    Lindy Walton
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    Hi, Fred. You have correctly applied margins for material displayed in main division/subdivision format. This format is given in §191 "Margins for Non-Spatial Itemized Materials" subsection b (page 195 of the Nemeth Code) which says this: "When non-spatial itemized material contains both main divisions and subdivisions to whatever depth ... i. The main division numbers or letters must begin in cell 1 and the associated material must be run over, if necessary, in cell 5; ii. Subdivision numbers or letters, regardless of depth, must begin in cell 3 and must be run over, if necessary, in cell 5; ... iv. When the special margin requirements for linked expressions do not apply, a displayed expression must begin in cell 7 and must be run over, if necessary, in cell 9.

    Note that --in the braille transcription-- there should be no blank lines.

    in reply to: Font Attributes #21737
    Lindy Walton
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    Thank you both so much for such great information and thoughts. I realize this isn't rocket science, even though it sometimes feels that way.
    Thanks again for all you do. It is really appreciated!!!
    Patty

    in reply to: Blank circles for answer choices #21738
    Lindy Walton
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    The purpose of the circles is for students with pencils to fill in the answer choice bubble. In the work I do for individuals in a school setting, I have always been asked to replace the circles with letters a b c d using the same style of punctuation as is used for the numbered problems, in this case a single closing parenthesis. I have also seen this done on standardized tests. However it gets to be a problem when the layout on the print page does not arrange the answer choices vertically. With this type of layout, it is not clear which item is b) and which is c):

    o wood o paper

    o glass o pencil

    If you choose this method, you need to be consistent with your lettering and state how you are doing this in the notes to the teacher (in print) so the student's answers b) or c) are not graded incorrectly by the teacher.

    If you use a 2-cell dash, as Braille Formats suggests (see below) the braille reader can mark their answer choice with a pencil.

    I am not the Braille Formats expert, but let's look at Section 10 "Exercise Material."

    BF 10.4.4 says "All answer choices are listed vertically and begin in the same cell."
    We do the same in a Nemeth transcription, following the Nemeth Code.

    BF 10.4.4.b says this: "It is necessary to make a judgment call when answer choices are unnumbered/unlettered, and there is no discernible order. Be consistent once it has been decided to list items in horizontal or vertical order." Sample 10-2 illustrates this--these answer choices do NOT have any identifiers or circle bubbles. The braille copy does not add anything.

    Now I'm looking in Section 20 "Tests."

    20.4.4 Answer Choices
    a. The vertical or horizontal print arrangement of answer choices may be important and affect grading. The requesting agency should decide if items are listed in horizontal or vertical order.

    b. When not advised by the requesting agency, the transcriber lists answer choices vertically in a single column, whether the answer choices are in a single column or in multiple columns.

    d. Print may show a circle or other symbol to be filled in by the student. This symbol typically is not included. Use a dash before the question when an agency requests that the symbol be indicated.

    Example 20-4 shows a 2-cell dash followed by a space. Note the order of answer choices.

    PART 2 OF YOUR QUESTION: If the identifiers are printed inside of a circle you can braille them simply as numerals or letters, ignoring the circle. In a math context this can be confusing so I generally braille such identifiers inside of parentheses. Of course you would state this treatment in a TN at the beginning of the volume. I'm not finding any guidelines about this in Braille Formats, but maybe it would be a good idea to post this question to that topic expert.

    in reply to: Rule XXV, 185a #21710
    Lindy Walton
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    Your graphics should follow the rules of Guidelines and Standards for Tactile Graphics 2011. I find no comment there other than the usual 3 blank cells before the page number on line 25.

    in reply to: Expanded addition #21652
    Lindy Walton
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    Hi Susan. I will try to address your comments. Let me know if you have further questions.

    As with any transcription, your consistency in formatting will result in a layout that makes the reading flow. Simbraille examples are usually taken out of context so you can place them as they fit in YOUR transcription.

    EXAMPLE can be a cell-5 or cell-7 heading. I see the orange example as a separate item, not as displayed material, which is why I started at the margin. I was not following an established Nemeth format from the codebook.

    I don't know what "Guideline 10" is. Are you referring to Braille Formats? In exercise material, BF 10.8.4 tells us to format examples in the same way as the following questions. If items on page 4 of your book show a format that will apply nicely to this example, you could format it that way instead.

    in reply to: Expanded addition #21651
    Lindy Walton
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    Hi Lindy,
    Can you tell me the format you used when you created the braille example?
    What mean is were you using the word Addition as a cell one (as if it were an itemized problem) with the spatial expanded problem starting in cell three as a runover or displayed material? I liked your format, I was just trying to make sure I was using it correctly for continued problems like this. Also, would you put the word "EXAMPLE" which is off to the side as a cell 5 heading to the word Addition, (then later subtraction, etc.)? And then, in Guideline 10, it looked like the heading Example is also placed in cell 1 right above the example problem. I am getting a little confused. Any clarification you can give, I would really appreciate it!
    Thanks,
    Susan

    in reply to: Font Attributes #21430
    Lindy Walton
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    This issue is under discussion by the BANA Math Technical Committee

    in reply to: use of the “therefore” symbol? #21631
    Lindy Walton
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    ... in the example I'm remembering to attach this time 🙂

    in reply to: multiplication table #21613
    Lindy Walton
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    Thank you, Lindy!

    in reply to: negation #21622
    Lindy Walton
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    thank you, Lindy! I will definitely go with your suggestion,
    trumbull

    in reply to: Numbers and Letters in Headings #21620
    Lindy Walton
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    This is an interesting question and one I have heard from others, too. I am glad you brought it up.

    BF 4.3.8 actually says this: "Use the period, rather than the decimal point, when a period appears between a letter and a number." The BF example shows "A.4" which is a numeral following a letter, but the rule itself doesn't say what to do when a letter follows a numeral like your example shows -- 1.a -- S8CS1.a

    The Nemeth Code, however, is clear regarding a numeral following a letter. Use the multi-purpose indicator as shown in NC Sec.177.ii.

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