Lindy Walton
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October 19, 2022 at 3:18 pm in reply to: Missing post: Nemeth for Tensor Indices Notation / Multiscripts #39442
Lindy Walton
ModeratorBrian,
The Nemeth Code calls this type of notation "non-simultaneous superscripts and subscripts". See Section 82.b of the 1972 Nemeth Code. A baseline indicator comes to the rescue. By inserting dot 5 before each non-simultaneous superscript or subscript, you will indicate to the reader that they are to be read left-to-right because you are returning to the baseline before indicating the next superscript or subscript. Here is the transcription of the image you provided.

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Lindy
October 17, 2022 at 3:18 pm in reply to: Missing post: Nemeth for Tensor Indices Notation / Multiscripts #39417Lindy Walton
ModeratorBrian, I'll look into this. Do you know the date of the original post?
Lindy Walton
ModeratorThe new Nemeth lesson manual reflects the upcoming changes to the 2022 revision of the Nemeth code book. Although the new code book has not yet been published, the new rules and symbols have been incorporated into the lessons.
As a current certified transcriber producing Nemeth materials, you should use the indicators and methods from the 1972 Nemeth Code (and the Updates and the Guidance document) until the new code is published.
Lindy Walton
ModeratorHi Shelley. Your jpg file is too big to be posted here. If you can't make it smaller, you may send it to me privately at lbw.braille@gmail.com.
- Lindy
Lindy Walton
ModeratorI'm glad you asked this question. Are you talking about a table of values for graphing? And one that is completely blank except for the x and y headings? I suppose your transcription would depend on the intended use. In a textbook or a classroom situation, I would omit the table and insert a transcriber's note instructing the reader to create a table of values. When transcribing an exam, as you are doing, I would be more clear about what exactly is on the page. Especially if this is one showing empty fields for inserting data using a computer, which is how many exams are given nowadays.
Empty tables of values don't generally indicate how many values are to be inserted. If it is clear that, say, four x and four y values are to be inserted, then you could use a general omission symbol to indicate each missing value. I think that makes more sense than inserting two guide dots.
- Lindy
Lindy Walton
ModeratorHi, Susan.
Blank space in a Nemeth table does present a dilemma to the transcriber.
Yes, inside the switches, you use Nemeth symbols when the missing or blank entry is printed as a dash, underscore, etc. But when it is blank space, we are now suggesting that you follow Braille Formats and fill out the width of the column with guide dots (dot 5's). It doesn't matter if the blank space indicates a missing answer, or if it represents "no entry". By simply representing the blank entry with guide dots, you will not need to decide whether or not that space is to be filled in with an answer.
A transcriber's note is required to tell the reader that "A series of guide dots across the width of the column indicates a blank space." You don't need to say "a blank space to be filled in". You are just playing it as it lays.
Note that guide dots can appear inside a Nemeth table without needing to switch codes. Just like page change indicators, box lines, and column separation lines, guide dots can occur in either code.
- Lindy
Lindy Walton
ModeratorI do enjoy these challenges. I played around with this table a bit and came up with something workable, I think.
I put the whole thing inside box lines. I had to break the rule about where to put that first equals sign in order to use the whole width of the page for the table portion which, miraculously, takes 40 cells.
I considered saving space by showing letters B G and N in lowercase, but since a lowercase n appears in the part below the table, this is not feasible.
What I ended up doing was keying -(BG/N^2)(1/N-1). If that is not giving away an answer somehow, I think it works. I blocked the runover of the fraction BG/N^2 because otherwise the table would not fit in 40 cells. By inserting a blank line between the rows, like we do in a matrix with runovers, I think this looks pretty good.
If you don't like this plan, using facing pages would be a good idea.
About row 3 in the table, the new Nemeth Code is hoping to offer new symbols for the vertical and diagonal ellipses. We can all look forward to that. In the meantime, for this project, transcribe the regular (3, 3, 3) horizontal ellipsis.
- Lindy
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ModeratorWow, Michael. I've never seen this before. I don't think treating it like a binomial coefficient gets the point across. I think it makes sense to treat this like a modified expression. I'll ask other members of the committee to look at this post and see what they think.
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Lindy
Lindy Walton
ModeratorWe have different considerations when transcribing tests. I expect you cannot omit any of this material. I am going to forward your question to a Formats expert and ask that the answer be posted here.
Lindy Walton
ModeratorHi Susan.
I'm having trouble seeing what the highlighted portion says (the image is blurry when I enlarge it), but I *think those number/letter combinations are state standards citations. This is not math, so use UEB rules to transcribe them, just as you will for the titles and labels.
If I'm not understanding your question, please send a scan using higher resolution. Thank you.
Lindy
September 8, 2022 at 5:12 pm in reply to: Nemeth switch indicators concerning units of measure #39254Lindy Walton
ModeratorHi Denise.
Your understanding of this code switching rule is correct.
All of your examples are correct with the exception of the last example: the word "and" will be contracted because it is in UEB with the single-word switch.
Thank you for checking with us.
- Lindy
Lindy Walton
ModeratorYou are very welcome! I forgot to mention that, if you use CBC, you should cite it on the Transcriber's Notes page as follows:
Computer Braille Code, Revised 2000, 2010 Update
and you should mention on the Special Symbols page that the non-UEB code switch indicators are switching to that code.
Lindy Walton
ModeratorHere is our recommendation.
As mentioned before, computer code should not be transcribed in Nemeth. But since your client insists, it would be better to use the old Computer Braille Code for the computer text. This would be an interesting mix of UEB, Nemeth, and CBC, and is not standard practice, but we feel it would be better than trying to wrestle Nemeth Code within the computer language. You would precede and follow the computer notation with the "non-UEB" code switch indicators. See Section 14 of the Rules of Unified English Braille.
IF you continue to transcribe the computer notation in Nemeth, the number following the percent symbol needs to be identified as a numeral, so a numeric indicator should be inserted.
Let me know if further problems arise.
- Lindy Walton
Lindy Walton
ModeratorI will run this by the BANA Nemeth committee and see what they have to say about the unspaced numeral following a percent symbol.
I'm sorry that your expertise as a Nemeth transcriber is not being respected here -- you should not be transcribing the computer notation in Nemeth.
Lindy Walton
ModeratorHi Carmen.
I'm not quite sure what to say. If you are transcribing Javascript, you should be using UEB. Computer notation does not use Nemeth Code. Can you send an image of what you are dealing with?
Thanks.
- Lindy
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