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Joanna E. Venneri
SpectatorThese shapes are concerned with the physical appearnace of the print word. My feeling is that this material is inappropriate for braille. I did confer on this with some REAL experts at BANA and this view is confirmed. It was recommended that this material be omitted with a transcriber’s note that explains it refers to the appearance of actual print and is not appropriate for braille. It was also suggested that if the material accounts for major portions of the text that the agency might be informaed that there are recurrcing situations throughout the book that are inappropriate for braille.
–Joanna
Joanna E. Venneri
SpectatorWhat the software does is irrelevant. I would follow the example in Formats.
–Joanna
Joanna E. Venneri
SpectatorRegarding the first part of your question about breaking centered headings that fall on more than one line–the trasncriber decides what is balanced and logical. That is why these are called guidelines. I would look over all the examples of centered headings in Formats to get an idea of how balanced and logical headings might be determined.
As for the second question, connected headings refers to headings connected by concept and meaning, not necessarily physically connected in print. There is no boxed material in those headings. That is purely a decorative design. A box sets of text from surrounding text. There is nothing set off there.
–Joanna
Joanna E. Venneri
SpectatorThis is actually unchanged from previous Formats. “Reviews” in a textbook usually are nothing more than advertising. This guidelines also conforms to Library of Congress standards.
–Joanna
Joanna E. Venneri
SpectatorThat’s why we’re here! And thank you for that interesting question. In researching it, I have learned about that topic than I ever thought possible.
–Joanna
Joanna E. Venneri
SpectatorAwesome. Now I get it! Thank you for clearing that up for me.
Joanna E. Venneri
SpectatorSection 1.12 covers letter/number print page combinations. Example 1-16 shows various print configurations and braille solutions, but none specifically with a space. However, using what we have and what we know, spaces are never used in print page numbers and the hyphens that do commonly appear in these print combinations are omitted in braille.
The suggest for these pages is to close up the space [simbraille],,sc;vii[/simbraille]. The letter sign cancels the double caps.
Joanna
Joanna E. Venneri
SpectatorOnce again, it doesn’t matter what it says in any rule prior to 2011 Formats. And once again I’m sorry but I just don’w see what difference it makes as to whether you start at the top or the bottom of the page. Maybe I’m missing something.
But I do also repeat once again, that current 2011 Formats simply says that the blank lines should be distributed evenly as much as possible. It says nothing about where you start from.
–Joanna
Joanna E. Venneri
SpectatorIt depands on the reason for the TN and the type of information is conveys. Do you have an instance that you can ask about?
–Joanna
Joanna E. Venneri
SpectatorSo it does not matter whether the blank lines between segments are inserted starting from the top or starting from the bottom?
Joanna E. Venneri
SpectatorThank you Joanna,
“m in numbers” is when the text refers to a letter (m) in a word (numbers). So, we both agree that the letter indicator isn’t necessary in most situations.
Katrina
Joanna E. Venneri
Spectator2011 Formats supercedes EVERYTHING in previous editions of Formats and EVERYTHING PERTAINING TO FORMATTING in EBAE. That includes the Instruction Manual. 2011 Formats is the ONLY current authority for formatting practices and decisions. Formats 2011 Section 2.3.3e says that blank lines are inserted in between segments and should be distributed as evenly as possible.
–Joanna
Joanna E. Venneri
SpectatorIt is not necessary to use the Miscelleneous heading when there are no other categories.
–Joanna
Joanna E. Venneri
SpectatorHi Betty,
I’m really glad you sent the print page. This rule says 3 different things about cross references.
First, a cross reference with no page number that is shown following an entry must be brailled as part of the entry. That is what I see on this print page. Each cross reference follows a single entry, which may be a main entry or subentry. Each of these should be considered part of that entry and continued on the same line just as the rule says, as if it were part of that entry.
Seond, a cross-reference WITHIN a subentry must be braille as part of the subentry. I don’t think I see any like that in your print page, but these would also be part of that entry if there were any.
Third, when a cross reference is shown AT THE END OF A LISTING OF SUBENTRIES, it is brailled as an additional subentry. Your cross references follow individual entries. The ones in the Formats examples are at the end of the group of subentries.
To clarify, the Formats examples shows the subentries under each main entry and separates them with a semicolon, instead of printing each on a new line. It’s a very common arrangement. But those are all subentries just the same, and the cross references appear at the very end of that listing of subs. And that’s why it is brailled as a new subentry in the example. This is not the same situation that you have in your print example.
Hope this helps.
–Joanna
Joanna E. Venneri
SpectatorIn order to assess how to handle the extranous material I need to see what it looks like. I need to see the entire print page so I can see how the different types of material printed on it relate to each other, especially if it’s a table of contents and some of the material is not part of the table of contents.
Please scan and post a print page or two.
Thanks.
–Joanna
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