Lindy Walton
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Thank you for pointing out my error. After applying the Chemistry Code approach to chemical SYMBOLS (C is *not an abbreviation for carbon, it is the chemical SYMBOL for carbon), Section 11.d of the Nemeth Code is what to follow for C-14: no ELI, no NI. Section 9.f is followed for carbon-14 since carbon is a word: yes contract "ar," yes NI. Here is the path of Nemeth Code rules to follow when searching for hyphen rules:
NC §9.b. The numeric indicator must be used after a punctuation mark. However, the hyphen requires special attention (see section f below). [4 examples]
NC §9.f. The numeric indicator must be used after a hyphen when the hyphen follows a word, an abbreviation, or a mark of punctuation. However, also see §11d. [6 examples]
NC §11.d. The numeric indicator must not be used after a hyphen if the hyphen follows a numeral, a letter, or other mathematical expression. [3 examples]
I will delete my original answer so future readers are not misled.
Lindy WaltonModeratorHello Lindy,
I only have information from a question that was answered in the NBA forum.
The information which I pasted below states not to use the NI after the hyphen in chemical isotopes.This question was asked March 25, 2009.
Subject: ELI and NI in chemical isotopes
Question: When brailling isotopes in chemistry such as U-235, Ba-142, Kr-91, etc., are the ELI and NI used?
Does it make a difference if the text is narrative or showing a reaction equation?Answer: (Dorothy asked a Chemical Code Expert and then answered)
Here is the answer I got: the Chem Code says that the symbol for an element is not an abbreviation by rule, so ... no ELI with a single element symbol and no NI with the number following the hyphen. I know it looks really weird, but that's the way it is.Lindy WaltonModeratorThank you very much for the clarification. I am sorry to say that I had not intrepreted that to mean also in tables, but I certainly will from now on.
Thanks again,
PattyLindy WaltonModeratorHi Susan. Graphs are diagrams, not tables, even though the narrative calls it a table.
In the first graph, as you said, M T W Th F are abbreviations. Use the ELI for M T W F; don't contract Th.
In the second graph (trail points), although the points would use no ELI in the actual drawing (not shown), they are single letters here (as axis labels) just as they would be in narrative. Use an ELI for each letter.
Note that if either graph showed labels next to the actual *points within the graph grid, that would qualify as a labeled diagram and you would not use an ELI for those capital single letters.
Lindy WaltonModeratorA transcription is brailled based on the BANA braille codes, not on the lesson manuals. (The lesson manuals are not BANA publications.) The BANA Updates apply to the Codebooks. The most recent Nemeth code update was posted on the BANA website in 2012.
Lindy WaltonModeratorWhat an interesting question this is! My opinion is that, if you put the termination of the note on the same line as the bottom box line, it will be overlooked by the reader. For clarity, I would put it on the next line, in cell 1, but I would use a regular transcriber's note here for clarity: ..End of graphic..
Lindy WaltonModeratorThank you for your guidance. That makes sense about not splitting up diagram into two separate ones. Here is one more question related to the same page. In my quest to declutter it as much as I can, I have keyed many of the labels and am going with facing pages with fold-out flap.
On the first (left page), my directions followed by reference notes are on the top of the first braille page, and my transcriber's notes about the placement and layout of the diagram follow, and finally the key on the bottom of the first page, which face the diagram. So, I have no room for questions that should follow directions. Can I add to the TN on this first page that the questions begin on the page after the diagram? This will mean the student will have to flip back and forth between pages.
Thanks, for all you help.
SusanLindy WaltonModeratorHi Susan. Yes, I see the luminosity definition as an unmarked marginal note that should go with the first occurrence of the word, in the instructions at the top of the page. I see nothing wrong with placing it after the instructions--in 7-5--since it applies to five questions which follow.
The color scale printed below the temperature label is associated with the temperature scale, so I would not remove it from its printed location. I see no benefit to making two diagrams since the data would be the same in both diagrams. This is going to be a busy drawing! Let me know if I'm not seeing something you are seeing.
Lindy WaltonModeratorHi Barbara
--Use single caps (NC §49.b (or §50, Update, if MCC stands for words)
--All dots are decimals.
If anyone can explain why all these dots are decimals in a Nemeth transcription, I would appreciate the insight.
Lindy WaltonModeratorFirst, be certain what you are looking at in the print copy. The letter you have copied looks like the alternative print form of the Greek letter theta, not a script regular theta. Does the print copy call it a script letter?
A table of the alternative forms of Greek letters is on page 34 of "An Introduction to Braille Mathematics." I have attached a photo of that table. The braille transcription of the alternative theta is (46, 4, 1456)
If you determine that the letter is truly a script regular theta, it is brailled as follows: (4, 46, 1456) The script indicator (dot 4) is brailled first, followed (unspaced) by the Greek letter indicator (dots 46), followed (unspaced) by the letter (theta, dots 1456).
See Nemeth Code Rules IV and V, and Appendix A (page 208).
Lindy WaltonModeratorI was quite sure that the mathematical symbol for the arrow was not correct, but was dreading spurring so many arrows. Your suggestion sounds wonderful to me. Thanks so much for all your help.
PattyLindy WaltonModeratorThanks, Lindy, for your quick reply and for the "jumpstart".
SusanLindy WaltonModeratorWithout seeing a print example, I can only guess, but your description sounds like what the Nemeth code calls "Modifiers of Higher Order" in Section 87. Use the 5-step rule for transcribing modified expressions. The arrow will be the first order (modified directly over) and the dot will be the second order (two directly-over indicators). Use a contracted arrow and dots 16 for the dot.
Lindy WaltonModeratorInteresting problem!
It makes sense to me to transcribe what the student will be brailling in the plot--that is, no numeric indicators and yes use 456 to represent the bar. In context, the lack of numeric indicators should not be confusing.Lindy WaltonModeratorThank you so much!
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